Am I the only one here that got really bad experience with nextcloud and didn’t figured how to make it work correctly?
I’m talking about painfully slow login pages, ages to show files, even upgraded hardware with disk entirely capable of saturing full gig network connection and still…
Getting only about ~30ish MB/s when downloading from nextcloud.
Incredly slow document loading with collabora…
Even if my hardware is not new-gen, a app like immich works flawlessly and loads everything instantly.
Is it the fault of next cloud or am I doing something wrong?
Are alternatives like seafile or openCloud better?
Willing your help fellow selfhosters
Sounds like a DB problem. I had to re-create mine earlier this year because it got corrupted somehow, probably through updates. Some actions spawned hundreds of DB workers and the CPU would be stuck at 100%
I’ve been running tge AIO container for several years now and it is running perfectly fine. I only enable whatever I use, so for instance no Collabora.
But for Collabora, while it should be good for single-person use, if you require some kind of collaborative simultaneous work, you should probably set up the high-performance backend. I did this at work for a NC-instance hosted via Hetzner and it works well when we tried it, but we don’t really use those kinds of tools much in our daily work.
Your issue could be a missing index, check the admin settings page and see if it has any advice.
I also found that my files_cache table was missing an index from way back, I had to empty the table and create the index. But the speed boost was insane, it went from painfully slow to almost instant.
I constantly would get files stuck in the database that I couldn’t delete. All of the forum posts would talk about going into the database to fix it, but the whole point of NextCloud for me was to completely avoid database management.
I’ve fallen back to using DUFS or copyparty for most things since I really just needed my file store to be browsable via web in some cases.
I probably would still be using NextCloud if they didn’t obfuscate the file system.
I ran nextcloud for years on good hardware and its always been the weakest self hosted app I have. I moved to seafile for a bit and then ultimately owncloud OCIS.
OCIS is a modern app that is massively better since its written with modern languages / frameworks
I’m one of the people who is happy with my Nextcloud setup (outside of never quite getting only office to work in browser after I hooked it all up to a reverse proxy behind HTTPS), but I always try to keep my eye on developments in the space for a potential better solution. I looked at OCIS a while back, but it didn’t have the quality of life features that I enjoy to make it worth me switching from a working Nextcloud deployment.
Does OCIS have a desktop client that supports on-demand file synchronization (a la OneDrive) rather than just selective folder sync? Does it support storing files as is in a natural directory structure or is everything stored as a flat file blob? Is it able to handle external storage even if that external storage is physical storage on a container mount point?
I installed AIO on an old machine (retired gaming PC) a few months ago. I use NC notes and file sharing, and have disabled other services I don’t need. It’s running behind a proxy server. It’s worked fine so far. I use Immich for photos though, not Nextcloud. I heard a lot of gripes about Nextcloud for photos.
Speeds weren’t too bad for me, but setting it up was a pain. Even when AIO came out, I spent hours trying to get it right. After several years and tearing it down and rebuilding now and again because something would get messed up, and realizing it was nearly impossible to get it to work with Tailscale instead of a reverse proxy, I decided it was time to throw in the towel. Nextcloud parades itself as a product anyone can use, but in practice it feels like it was meant for enterprise users.
Nextcloud is pretty slow in general, but what you’re describing sounds unusual.
For one thing, Nextcloud is written in PHP, so it sets up and tears down its environment for every single request. But PHP has drastically improved over the years, so it’s not that far behind something like Node.
Facebook was originally written in PHP for the Zend engine, and since it was so slow, they forked (or more accurately, reimplemented) it to make HHVM.
Nextcloud still runs on the Zend engine.
I tried to get it working with calibra office, but gave up 🙈and do agree that it is one of the more difficult programs to setup on a server.
Nectcloud has always been incredible slow for me. (And that’s beside other issues like updates failing more often than succeeding…)
And as I was using it mostly for basic filesharing between my machines and as a CalDAV/CardDAV server I replaced it with Syncthing and Radicale now.
Never had issues setting up Nextcloud with Podman, but on 3 occasions I tried to integrate OnlyOffice with it and couldn’t get it to work.
In the end, I simply dropped both of them because the whole idea was to have an editor with it. I decided to go with the approach where I use Syncthing to sync my documents folder to multiple machines and my phone, and edit using LibreOffice on each machine.
I remember OO was incredibly painful to get running. When I finally managed, I just tore down the whole thing and never looked back.
Seeing most of the negative comments here noting bare metal etc.
Moving to the AIO build solved literally every issue I had with the single exception being the colabora office stuff.
For the image stuff, basic file, download etc… been great.
The Android app gives me grief, but I suspect that’s my janky Samsung phone killing it’s permissions.
Considering they only officially support the AIO, it’s worth trying that out before passing full judgement. It has flaws, for sure, but it’s immensely complex and the AIO nullifies many of the variables that they can’t otherwise account for easily.
I’m also here on AIO with a great experience. It’s snappy and the website loads faster than Onedrive ever did.
I had a docker install prior to AIO being available, and there was a lot of tweaking to get it running nicely (though it did run nicely). AIO takes care of it all for you.
I started off with nextcloud on bare metal on my Raspberry Pi and there was a lot that I could never configure quite right on the server side of things. Stuff like getting the right memory usage dialed in for the web server. I moved to NextCloudPi and it solved a lot of those problems for me. But it looks like the maintainer is not wanting to maintain it forever.
Someday, I will migrate to nextcloud AIO, but I’m not looking forward to the migration.
you arent the only one. I had suck a painful onboarding process with next cloud from the docker setup to the speed of it to the UI that I just gave up and decided to use a combination of immich and syncthing instead.
How did you set it up? All in one, separate database and redis?
Native install.
Redis installed on the network and accessed by nextcloud.
Separate database on host.EDIT : formating
I highly recommend spinning up a Nextcloud AIO instance. It’s the recommended and supported method, and it will likely run a lot nicer because all the database, redis, etc tweaking are done for you in a known good setup.
If you try that and it’s still no good, then OCIS might be worth trying depending on exactly what you are trying to achieve.
Agreed, this is what I run after using seafile for a couple years.
No, I’ve been trying to get my instance working again with cloudflare tunnel. It was working, then broke and their support forums have been useless. I’m currently looking for a solution to have a self hosted calendar that is publicly available via web for people to view.
If anyone has any recommendations, please send them my way.
I think you’re looking for a calendar on a web page?
So, probably not what you meant, but Radicale is a really good caldav server I use for our calendars
It’s a server, you need clients (ie phones, etc) to see the calendars, but I found that no-one wanted a web calendar, they just used their phones… so maybe it’s an option…?
Yeah, I have a Radicale server running as I’m trying to see what I can do with Opencloud, but for ease for everyone to see the calendar, something hosted to view the calendar via web browser would be great. It’s such a shame that the most fragile thing in the world is Nextcloud behind a proxy of some sort. My problem is that the Apache container is refusing to communicate with cloudflare tunnel. If I point the tunnel to the AIO master container, it works flawless as far as getting to the container management web page.









