Cuba is not ‘new deal with Chinese characteristics’ though.
You’re comparing things to the us empire. As if that makes it good. My apartment is cleaner than the inside of a septic tank, so I’m a good housekeeper.
Cuba proves its not a tankie problem. Its a ‘these fuckers in charge’ problem. Or maybe you’re right, and all Chinese people are just bigots who like being censored and copped at, which seems fucking weird and implausible but idk you’re the expert.
Cuba is a socialist economy like China. They have a private sector like China does, but public ownership remains the principle aspect, like China. Cuba is an example of why Marxism-Leninism is a liberating ideology.
I have never once said “all Chinese people are bigots who like being censored and copped at.” That’s a ridiculous statement. The older generations are generally homophobic, and the younger generations are more progressive, and as these demographics change the laws are following suit. That’s why you need to listen to queer Chinese citizens. Secondly, Chinese citizens appreciate that censorship is levied against capitalists and that the police uphold the socialist system, which is a necessity in socialism where class struggle is very much alive.
Really, most of your confusion about China could be resolved by just listening to Chinese citizens.
I actually did talk to a lot of Chinese queers back when that was easier¹. It was a pretty grim picture.
The ones ive talked yo recently don’t live there-because it’s not a great place to be queer, and since the place I live got a lot more fuckef up, they don’t live here either, so I can’t ask them.
Script? It’s easier than ever to talk to queer people in China, that’s a fact, and it’s also a fact that conditions are steadily improving. Being vague like saying “it’s grim” or that you can’t because of “censorship getting worse” isn’t a point, or anything I can engage with, beyond telling you to actually talk to them.
Gotcha, so at best you’re ignorant of the situation and are posturing based on assumptions, rather than actually talking with them to get their perspectives. I understand not wanting to use social media that isn’t like the fediverse, but then you have to make that concession. Seems more like self-censorship than anything China’s doing.
No more ignorant than you, dear. If you think you’re getting honest impressions from a platfptm1/8th as fucked as Facebook, you’re delusional.
I got good honest data from peers in China, not recently. Ive seen the trajectory. It tracks. Roughly confirmed by people who had been there recently as recently as last year, before my region got added to the ‘oh fuck’ list. Which might be worse than where I think China is, but that doesn’t make where China is okay, and doesn’t make me feel welcome or safe there. Your insistence that I must is honestly dangerous and reads as passively obliviously queer phobic.
Every reply you make to me somehow makes me think less of you. It’s kind of impressive.
Cuba is not ‘new deal with Chinese characteristics’ though.
You’re comparing things to the us empire. As if that makes it good. My apartment is cleaner than the inside of a septic tank, so I’m a good housekeeper.
Cuba proves its not a tankie problem. Its a ‘these fuckers in charge’ problem. Or maybe you’re right, and all Chinese people are just bigots who like being censored and copped at, which seems fucking weird and implausible but idk you’re the expert.
Cuba is a socialist economy like China. They have a private sector like China does, but public ownership remains the principle aspect, like China. Cuba is an example of why Marxism-Leninism is a liberating ideology.
I have never once said “all Chinese people are bigots who like being censored and copped at.” That’s a ridiculous statement. The older generations are generally homophobic, and the younger generations are more progressive, and as these demographics change the laws are following suit. That’s why you need to listen to queer Chinese citizens. Secondly, Chinese citizens appreciate that censorship is levied against capitalists and that the police uphold the socialist system, which is a necessity in socialism where class struggle is very much alive.
Really, most of your confusion about China could be resolved by just listening to Chinese citizens.
I actually did talk to a lot of Chinese queers back when that was easier¹. It was a pretty grim picture.
The ones ive talked yo recently don’t live there-because it’s not a great place to be queer, and since the place I live got a lot more fuckef up, they don’t live here either, so I can’t ask them.
¹because of the censorship
Then you should talk to them more, they are often on Rednote too.
Oh you don’t have script for that?
Script? It’s easier than ever to talk to queer people in China, that’s a fact, and it’s also a fact that conditions are steadily improving. Being vague like saying “it’s grim” or that you can’t because of “censorship getting worse” isn’t a point, or anything I can engage with, beyond telling you to actually talk to them.
I did, back when i didnt have to use heavily censored bullshit social networks almost a quarter as bad as Facebook. I’m not doing that.
Gotcha, so at best you’re ignorant of the situation and are posturing based on assumptions, rather than actually talking with them to get their perspectives. I understand not wanting to use social media that isn’t like the fediverse, but then you have to make that concession. Seems more like self-censorship than anything China’s doing.
No more ignorant than you, dear. If you think you’re getting honest impressions from a platfptm1/8th as fucked as Facebook, you’re delusional.
I got good honest data from peers in China, not recently. Ive seen the trajectory. It tracks. Roughly confirmed by people who had been there recently as recently as last year, before my region got added to the ‘oh fuck’ list. Which might be worse than where I think China is, but that doesn’t make where China is okay, and doesn’t make me feel welcome or safe there. Your insistence that I must is honestly dangerous and reads as passively obliviously queer phobic.
Every reply you make to me somehow makes me think less of you. It’s kind of impressive.