Script? It’s easier than ever to talk to queer people in China, that’s a fact, and it’s also a fact that conditions are steadily improving. Being vague like saying “it’s grim” or that you can’t because of “censorship getting worse” isn’t a point, or anything I can engage with, beyond telling you to actually talk to them.
Gotcha, so at best you’re ignorant of the situation and are posturing based on assumptions, rather than actually talking with them to get their perspectives. I understand not wanting to use social media that isn’t like the fediverse, but then you have to make that concession. Seems more like self-censorship than anything China’s doing.
No more ignorant than you, dear. If you think you’re getting honest impressions from a platfptm1/8th as fucked as Facebook, you’re delusional.
I got good honest data from peers in China, not recently. Ive seen the trajectory. It tracks. Roughly confirmed by people who had been there recently as recently as last year, before my region got added to the ‘oh fuck’ list. Which might be worse than where I think China is, but that doesn’t make where China is okay, and doesn’t make me feel welcome or safe there. Your insistence that I must is honestly dangerous and reads as passively obliviously queer phobic.
Every reply you make to me somehow makes me think less of you. It’s kind of impressive.
My point is that while China has problems, it’s steadily improving. Throwing in fearmongering about things like “censorship” and incoherent jabs at Marxism concoct a viewpoint that is just passively chauvanistic. I’m not queerphobic, nor am I denying that China has problems to work through, I’m trying to get you to view China more sympathetically and not as some terror regime the people are in constant fear of. The vast majority of people in China support their system, and that includes queer people, so it’s obviously something they understand is improving as well.
I don’t really care what you think of me, if I’m being honest. I have seen extreme bad-faith from you, as well as incoherent points and a refusal to accept facts. Replying to you is more for others to see, than it is to change your mind, as I can see that it’s highly unlikely you will.
And you dont have to be gradual about this. See again: fucking Cuba.
I don’t think it’s a terror regime², I think it’s a banal authoritarian shit hole with plenty of bread and circuses. It’s not bad, but its not paradise, and I wouldn’t even say it’s good. I’m not fucking blaming Marxism. I’m pointing out that Marxism is clearly not the problem here, whether I agree with it or not.
It’s not a banal authoritarian shithole, though. There’s a wide gulf between “paradise” and “bad,” and it’s much better than being a “shithole.” Again, the vast majority of Chinese people support it, including queer people.
No, I did not say they have to be gradual with queer rights (though Cuba had it’s own period of homophobia in its early days too). My point is that, whether anyone likes it or not, they are still gradually improving in that respect as well, rather than declining and dying.
None if the queer people I knew there felt they had a future unless they left. They didnt think they were gonna get their doors kicked down, just thar they could either participate in society or be openly queer.
Sorry about the laziness and bad faith. You seemkind of zealoty in defending absolutely deeply flawed stuff, and give off disingenuous vibes. Makes it difficult to care enough to make the effort. Mutual non engagement or block, race you to the end of capitalism, winner gets bragging rights?
Oh you don’t have script for that?
Script? It’s easier than ever to talk to queer people in China, that’s a fact, and it’s also a fact that conditions are steadily improving. Being vague like saying “it’s grim” or that you can’t because of “censorship getting worse” isn’t a point, or anything I can engage with, beyond telling you to actually talk to them.
I did, back when i didnt have to use heavily censored bullshit social networks almost a quarter as bad as Facebook. I’m not doing that.
Gotcha, so at best you’re ignorant of the situation and are posturing based on assumptions, rather than actually talking with them to get their perspectives. I understand not wanting to use social media that isn’t like the fediverse, but then you have to make that concession. Seems more like self-censorship than anything China’s doing.
No more ignorant than you, dear. If you think you’re getting honest impressions from a platfptm1/8th as fucked as Facebook, you’re delusional.
I got good honest data from peers in China, not recently. Ive seen the trajectory. It tracks. Roughly confirmed by people who had been there recently as recently as last year, before my region got added to the ‘oh fuck’ list. Which might be worse than where I think China is, but that doesn’t make where China is okay, and doesn’t make me feel welcome or safe there. Your insistence that I must is honestly dangerous and reads as passively obliviously queer phobic.
Every reply you make to me somehow makes me think less of you. It’s kind of impressive.
My point is that while China has problems, it’s steadily improving. Throwing in fearmongering about things like “censorship” and incoherent jabs at Marxism concoct a viewpoint that is just passively chauvanistic. I’m not queerphobic, nor am I denying that China has problems to work through, I’m trying to get you to view China more sympathetically and not as some terror regime the people are in constant fear of. The vast majority of people in China support their system, and that includes queer people, so it’s obviously something they understand is improving as well.
I don’t really care what you think of me, if I’m being honest. I have seen extreme bad-faith from you, as well as incoherent points and a refusal to accept facts. Replying to you is more for others to see, than it is to change your mind, as I can see that it’s highly unlikely you will.
Seems about the same on queer rights.
And you dont have to be gradual about this. See again: fucking Cuba.
I don’t think it’s a terror regime², I think it’s a banal authoritarian shit hole with plenty of bread and circuses. It’s not bad, but its not paradise, and I wouldn’t even say it’s good. I’m not fucking blaming Marxism. I’m pointing out that Marxism is clearly not the problem here, whether I agree with it or not.
I’m not certain you can read.
²i live in one of those!
It’s not a banal authoritarian shithole, though. There’s a wide gulf between “paradise” and “bad,” and it’s much better than being a “shithole.” Again, the vast majority of Chinese people support it, including queer people.
No, I did not say they have to be gradual with queer rights (though Cuba had it’s own period of homophobia in its early days too). My point is that, whether anyone likes it or not, they are still gradually improving in that respect as well, rather than declining and dying.
None if the queer people I knew there felt they had a future unless they left. They didnt think they were gonna get their doors kicked down, just thar they could either participate in society or be openly queer.
Sorry about the laziness and bad faith. You seemkind of zealoty in defending absolutely deeply flawed stuff, and give off disingenuous vibes. Makes it difficult to care enough to make the effort. Mutual non engagement or block, race you to the end of capitalism, winner gets bragging rights?