• Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works
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    20 days ago

    These threads are full of useful idiots and propagandists shitting on Americans.

    I’m so bored by this nonsense. At least get more clever if you’re going to try to divide all of us.

    The way I see it, we’re all in this together. Even the Russian people are my ally if they oppose fascism and corruption. These are my people… All people who want a better world.

    But sure, enjoy your indulgences if this thread is your thing. May your lives be as short as Trump’s should be.

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      At least get more clever if you’re going to try to divide all of us.

      Is the opposite is the goal? reunite US against the empire?

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      19 days ago

      …ook…and now what are you americans doing for your allies? …

      and on a side note I find it odd that the Russians havent rebelled violently against Poo-tin. Its Loooong overdue. Dude’s a nearly useless goof.

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          the biggest lie ever told.

          People always say 'belgh blehg blerg bleg governement ≠ belgh blehg blerg vleg people . People have gotta stop spoiuting this bullshit line cause Im too tored of it. Carlin said it once:

          "Now, there’s one thing you might have noticed I don’t complain about: politicians. Everybody complains about politicians. Everybody says they suck. Well, where do people think these politicians come from? They don’t fall out of the sky. They don’t pass through a membrane from another reality. They come from American parents and American families, American homes, American schools, American churches, American businesses and American universities, and they are elected by American citizens. This is the best we can do folks. This is what we have to offer. It’s what our system produces: Garbage in, garbage out. If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you’re going to get selfish, ignorant leaders. Term limits ain’t going to do any good; you’re just going to end up with a brand new bunch of selfish, ignorant Americans. So, maybe, maybe, maybe, it’s not the politicians who suck. Maybe something else sucks around here… like, the public. Yeah, the public sucks. There’s a nice campaign slogan for somebody: 'The Public Sucks. Fck Hope. Because if it is really just the fault of the politicians then where are all the other bright people of conscience? Where are all the bright, honest, intelligent Americans ready to step in and save the nation and lead the way? We don’t have people like that in this country. Everybody’s at the mall, scratchin’ his ass, pickin’ his nose, takin’ his credit card out of his fanny pack and buyin’ a pair of sneakers with lights in them. So, I have solved this little political dilemma for myself in a very simple way. On Election Day, I stay home. I don’t vote. Fck ’em! Fck ’em! I don’t vote. Two reasons. Two reasons I don’t vote. First of all, it’s meaningless. This country was bought and sold and paid for a long time ago. This shit they shuffle around every four years? Pfft! Pfft! It doesn’t mean a fcking thing. And secondly, I don’t vote because I believe if you vote you have no right to complain. People like to twist that around, I know. They say, ‘Well, if you don’t vote you have no right to complain.’ But where’s the logic in that? If you vote and you elect dishonest, incompetent people and they get into office and screw everything up, well, you are responsible for what they have done. You caused the problem. You voted them in. You have no right to complain. I, on the other hand…who did not vote…who did not vote…who, in fact, did not even leave the house on Election Day, am in no way responsible for what these people have done and have every right to complain as loud as I want about the mess you created that I had nothing to do with. So, I know that a little later on this year you’re gunna have another one of those really swell presidential elections that you like so much [Bill Clinton v. Bob Dole]. You enjoy yourselves; it’ll be a lot of fun. I’m sure as soon as the election is over your country will improve immediately. As for me, I’ll be home on that day, doing essentially the same thing as you. The only difference is, when I get finished jerking it, I’m gunna have a little something to show for it, folks.” – George Carlin

          These are Russians and Ukranians from Russian and Ukranianian homes, businesses, schools, soldiers who instead of just saying “Fuck it” and conscientiously objecting in jail in the millions and millions together in brother and sister hood choose to do their fucking parastic bitches biddings . How long do you think this war would go on for if only the politicians threw their bloody parasrtic asses at each other? … I heard the same said anout the needless Iran-Lebanon-Yemen war…

          Heck even the last surviving WWI veteran talked about this: He said something along fhe lines of: “I still feel about the war now as I did then, that I wished that these fucking politicoans were the omes who picked up the guns and artilerry and blew up each other.”

          The Common People outnumber the politicians, the billionaires , the bribed mercenary class traiitor pigs in the hundreds and even thousands. The Common People can clearly ALWAYS come together and absolutely de-fucking-molish the fuxk out of all these war mongerers and create numerous societies that are created by the Common People and work for The Common People, Societies That Works For The Workers !..

          …The people choose not to do this… Every second …of everyday… Why they choose not to do this? Meh! Ive asked a couple and its always bullshit reasons here and there. Heck, Ive met some people who acrually enjoy being exploited like this.

          The people indeed ARE their government . The people at any moment could substantiate substantial effort to permenanently change their society for the better , to substantially change society to favor them and our hard work . We have the dream , we have the hands , we have the numbers… but we dont have the courage (or even the thinking capacity it seems) . Instead we would rather just be complacent and let these parasites throw us at each other or shoot at each other over a couple thousand dollars in random gang wars here and there…

          Fuck outta here with this garbage.

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        My guy It’s about the people being against fascism, not the governments of those people.

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            I’m surprised everyday by what my fellow US Americans want. I imagine it’s not much different than what propaganda the average russian citizen believes.

            There are people in both countries that know what empathy is, and understand they’re being lied to though.

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              Yes, USA and Russia is similar. Trump won 2 times in USA same as Putin won couple of fair elections before they stopped being fair. Both USA and Russia are full of bloodthirsty, racist people that believe they live in the greatest country in the world. It’s not an accident that brutal dictators raised to power there. It’s a direct expression of the desires of their citizens. Only when the oppression starts to affect them personally they begin to see the light.

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          No I wouldn’t say the Russian people are the enemy either. But their autocratic government invading Ukraine aren’t exactly high on my list of potential allies.

          It’s not the Russian people that were fighting, but we should be fighting autocracy wherever it happens to be, and it happens to be in Russia. Being allies isn’t like being sister cities. Our autocratic govt is in bed with their autocratic govt.

          • that were fighting,

            Sorry, what trench in Ukraine are you posting from?

            but we should be fighting autocracy wherever it happens to be, and it happens to be in Russia

            Are you American? Because your country is currently engaged in war crimes, and you can fight it plenty well from there.

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    At least one of those shots is behind a permanent spiked perimeter fence that you get arrested or shot for crossing. Also Trump keeps moving the White House temporary perimeter fence back further from the White House. I need to check if the Capitol Building is currently fenced off

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    On average, how long does it take a European to travel to their capital city, either driving or public transit? How long does it take an American to reach DC?

    Are European capitals generally the center of population?

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      More ‘we cant do anything because xyz’ arguments. There are protests outside of Paris. Here in Canada, an infintely sparser population, the railroads were shut down over the pipeline in 2020. We literally saw store shelves here on the east coast get emptier because the trains werent running.

      Are Americans lacking any and all imagination that all they can think of doing is non-disruptive protests?

      Dont get me wrong, Im sure there is creative action happening down there but my god all the comments are full of excuses.

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        Americans are trained through 12 years of public education to become docile if or when they protest.

        The only characters of the Civil Rights movement that are mentioned in public school are MLK and Rosa Parks.

        Practically no mention of Malcom. Everything I learned of the Black Panthers through my public school career, was from watching Forest Gump. BLA? Fannie Lou Hamer? The Deacons for Defense & Justice? Never heard of 'em.

        Obviously pacifism is the way to get your message across, right?

        Except it fell on deaf ears until black men and women started showing up armed.

        (And that, boys and girls, was the start of the gun control movement)

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      “Damn, I would resist the tyranical government, but not if it takes me more than couple of hours to get there. My hands are tied, I could never get to the government building in time.” But then again, you guys didn’t vote that one time because you didn’t know how to buy stamps and googling it was the whole thing, so I get it.

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        couple of hours to get there

        Wow, people are always so quick to point out how bad Americans are at world geography then say stupid shit like this. Get a map

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          Oh, that’s unfair. Americans aren’t just bad at geography, they’re also shit at reading comprehension, but thanks for the demonstration.

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            I asked a European friend to take a look. Nope, you’re still the idiot. Get a map and try your “couple of hours” from anywhere outside of DC and report back

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              That’s just precious. You’re unable to comprehend a single sentence, and you’re doubling down on that.

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      Maximum travel time to the Capitol for each country by the lesser of car or train:

      Albania 4.5 – 5.5 hours (by car)

      Serbia 4 – 4.5 hours (by car)

      Spain ~3.5 – 4.5 hours (via AVE high-speed rail)

      France ~4.5 – 6.5 hours (via TGV high-speed rail)

      United States 43 – 46 hours (by car, excludes Alaska and Hawaii)

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        Trying to organize in the capitol is a nightmare. I think we’re better off pressuring governors and state officials more than trying to focus on the national level.

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          If we don’t cause discomfort for the federal representatives, I’m afraid they will just call it a local problem much as they’ve done with the No Kings protests up to this point

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            I see it as two folds, get the local governments to deny and defy Trump then take it to the capitol. It’d be harder to ignore if states are supporting this. But the images show riots and I don’t think it’d be easy to get the numbers in DC to really snarl things up without prior organization. Trump was only able to do it because the Democrats are pathetically weak.

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              You’re not wrong, but I think you might overestimate the number of states where anything like this could actually happen. It would be spun as a “leftist rebellion” and they’d send in the militia fuckers with glee IMO

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                They’d do it with any rioting or similar in DC. We’re in a position people are being killed by the regime and will continue to be, and I think we should have a few states backing up counter movements in some way. The 2021 insurrection was able to get away with it because the regime was still in control at that point to let it happen.

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          Even people inside the US have a poor concept of just how big it is.

          Like, only India, Russia, and to a lesser degree China compare to the US in terms of livable land area. After that is Brazil at less than half.

          I honestly don’t think it’s a coincidence that the four countries with the largest liveable area have a serious authoritarian leadership problem right now.

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      Why are trailer parks always the example for when something looks like shit? Im genuinely asking. Trailer parks where I live arent bad at all. Im not saying they look like mansions but people generally take care of them and make an effort to keep their property looking nice.

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    Well we had No Kings protests. Police have shot and killed our citizens in the process of that. In my area, during a protest, police grabbed, dragged, and shot a protestor point blank in the eye with a less than lethal gun (he’s blind now)

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      And people have lost their eyes protesting the redesign of a train station here in Germany. Clashes with law enforcement are to be expected when you protest the government. You don’t tuck in your tail because of that.

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      Yeah, and the freedom people who once frothed at the mouth about wanting to fight tyrants are now probably the ones shooting protestors happily now.

      All for the tribe.

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      Yeah, that’s the thing about a protest, it doesn’t help unless you have a structure to harness this energy. When police started shooting at protesters in Ukraine in 2014, several political and activist organisations banded together with people, and together they used this fear and anger to resist and ultimately win.

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        Well political activist organizations were already banded together going to No Kings protests when those citizens were shot, for some reason we’re not winning yet

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          I am very plugged in on the American politics, and yet I have no idea which ones you can mean. This means that either those organisations are small enough so they don’t even break the local social media barrier, or they were so quiet after that, they didn’t even try to do anything on any public level.
          Two people were executed on the streets by the regime, and the reaction was less severe than when a shitty musician was shitty.

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            its likely its too small to even get bigger in the news, also because conservatives controls most of the MSM as well, it will hit the news, its all “look what trump did that make him look stupid” gaffe everyday.

            i noticed after the protests, people just went home like no news after that, they treat it like they were working a shift a store, 8hrs here, 8 hrs there and then done. also these are Planned protests, so you get what you “paid for” and likely kept on a tight leash by the DNC and MSMs to not escalate further. it allows them to have release valve when something schumer-hakeems and congrees does something terrible voting with the GOP.

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              exactly. These peaceful protests rarely ever substantiate substantial changes. The literal largest per capita protest in american history didnt do shit.

              What does this tell the americans?

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                  And maybe, protests do very little in America because ruling class aren’t afraid of the public that much

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      We had a similar per capita rate of participation in No Kings as France has had in its recent demonstrations. But the US has a much lower population density over a much larger land area, so the protests appeared smaller despite having millions more people in the streets.

    • “guys, we went on a permitted march in favor of slightly less shitty authoritarian neoliberals, what more do you want?”

      Nobody was shot and killed for No Kings. What the people were shot and killed by ICE for was direct action of rapid response against ICE.

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      the point is there is no escalation from us protestors when that happened, Occupy wallstreet pretty much showed oligarchs have nothing to be worried about, they can shovel culture war into social media its enough to distract people.

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    You guys need to chill on the hate. A good amount of hate is fine but y’all becoming redditors.

    It’s starting to look like Europeans can’t tell where the front door is or the backdoor is. It’s like these protests are supposed to result in yes daddy and yield results. Sorry, you’re reading history books to tackle modern day issues.

    I seek the down votes. They let me know you read my unpopular opinion. Also I do enjoy traveling to Europe.

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      No it begins in the large cities when a critical mass of people don’t want to abide by the given rules anymore instead they want to write their own.

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      Maybe that’s good they’re getting angry, this could help them organise some resistance.

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      I’m so angry that I have spent many hours researching various synonyms in other languages and attempting to convey the frothing bloodrage that pulses through me at all moments.