• theherk@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    Or just which messages are SMS and which are an encrypted protocol. It was the users that turned that into a measure of status.

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      9 months ago

      Except Apple will the ones that refused to allow iMessage on Android so it’s absolutely about status.

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        9 months ago

        I don’t think it is good that they didn’t allow that but it seems non sequitur that means it is about status. I like to know if a message is sms or encrypted. Just like some jabber clients do for private messages. There should be some indication of the message status. And unless you can point to Apple indicating the intent of the colors is for social status and not an indication of protocol, I stand by that.

        And I know it is hard to cut through the “fuck Apple” narrative. But to me, they are just another one of many scumbag corporations. I just don’t see any evidence that the intent is social status. That was driven by conspicuous consumers.

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          9 months ago

          You missed the news, I guess.

          Apple fully admitted a few times that it was intentional. It was 100% an artificially created mechanism to polarize users, and bully them into Apple’s “ecosystem”.

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            9 months ago

            I didn’t miss that; that just isn’t what it says. Well it is what you say, but that’s not what I’m disagreeing with. I agree with you.

            iMessage on Android would simply serve to remove an obstacle to iPhone families giving their kids Android Phones.

            I’m not saying it isn’t a dirty business trick design to lock consumers in. It is. I’m saying it isn’t clear to me that it is designed as a social status issue. That was driven by a large group the users. Even still what this article is talking about is not having iMessage on android, which is not at all what I was disputing. I’m saying the colors serve a functional purpose. Not saying “only a functional purpose” but useful nevertheless.

            I won’t be surprised if android likewise distinguishes between sms and messages using the new protocol.

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              9 months ago

              so you just defend everything apple does but you agree it’s dirty bullshit.

              nice! seems like you pick winners bud.

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                9 months ago

                This is truly a dizzying exchange. What I said was three things. The bubbles are designed to, at least in part, distinguish message protocol, the zealous conspicuous consumers are responsible for making it a status symbol, and not porting the system to android for vendor lock-in is a scummy process. I am really struggling to see me defend Apple in this case.

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                  9 months ago

                  the zealous conspicuous consumers are responsible

                  They are, and Apple consistently does things the way to let that work.