I significantly doubt killing Charlie Kirk of all people is going to effect change. At least, it’s not going to be positive change.
The right is emboldened greatly by every situation like this. Yes, they’ve just been looking for an excuse and would be horrible anyway, but this accelerates things by giving them more definitive cover.
They’re already making shit up about evidence of “trans and leftist stuff” carved into the bullets or casings (tabloids and the WSJ have run with this) when there’s no actual proof.
Turning Point USA will stumble for a bit while they find a new talking head capable of carrying their bullshit platform, but there’s a glut of right wing influencers (and people willing to play one for money) that will fill the gap.
Also, he was shot in front of his kids. They’re already fucked up enough having him as a dad without seeing him catch a bullet in front of them and die.
Look, I’ve got no tears to shed for this balloon headed ass. But this is not a victory. Even if you support the idea of using violence to achieve change, this was a piss poor target.
Ben Shapiro cancelled an event he was going to do today. It seems to me like the moment these fascist fucks feel like they could be in danger for the hateful shit they spew they cower in fear. They are keyboard warriors that don’t realize that people can do a lot more than say hurtful things when you do that in public.
He cancelled one event? Holy shit the world is healed!
You aren’t wrong that these people are cowards.
But Luigi didn’t change health insurance. It pushed one bad move from a former United Healthcare exec back but didn’t stop it, and now there’s proposed kickbacks for AI companies whenever their AI denies medicare or medicaid coverage.
There is so damn much broken and I understand the sheer desperation, but lone vigilantes carrying out sporadic and infrequent assassinations with poor target choices are not going to cause long term positive change.
Arguably if the speed was increased it might get results, but I think it’d just be more likely that they’d burn some of their stupid amounts of money on more security and stuff like popemobile booths.
At the end of the day the US populace can’t provide meaningful resistance to the full might of our military industrial complex, if things were to ever get that far. And I don’t think that our currenr administration would have any issues misusing our military for protection of these assholes.
So we have to organize. If we truly want to overwhelm the military, we’d need to overwhelm them with literal piles of bodies.
If we want to attempt less bloodshed and lives lost, which I would hope most people would want, than we still need to organize and put up a strong front while turning their “allies on the ground” to our side. That means that yes, we need to start doing more concentrated effort to turn our asshole republican neighbors instead of just shunning them. Start sharing techniques and talking points for slowly turning folks, build up your tolerance so you can spend time in their presence slowly dropping the seeds because changing people’s minds takes time.
On the other end, start pulling normal people currently just voting Democrat into more action like showing up to city council votes, into community service and support organizations, and make sure that we’re broadcasting these public goods well and with good branding. Increase engagement across the board.
Do like the “best” Christian groups do and just do unimpeachable good loudly while quietly wearing the affiliation on your sleeve to draw people in, then turn them when they already see you as a good person doing good things.
None of these techniques are new, especially in the Christian church. We just need to fight the feelings of hopelessness, isolation, and the “well your idea of better isn’t my exact idea of better” purity test bullshit you see from people online who for example won’t be satisfied until the end of capitalism entirely… so that we present a united front as a force for general good.
You think the issues with your health insurance is Obamacare? Whatever brother we’re here to help. Eventually down the line we’ll start steering you right once we’ve built that relationship. You’re homeschooling your kids to avoid the woke, but need assistance in a subject you can’t teach them? We’re here to help. Eventually we’ll start steering you right.
It’s exhausting, time consuming work. But it does work for changing hearts and minds.
I significantly doubt killing Charlie Kirk of all people is going to effect change. At least, it’s not going to be positive change.
The right is emboldened greatly by every situation like this. Yes, they’ve just been looking for an excuse and would be horrible anyway, but this accelerates things by giving them more definitive cover.
They’re already making shit up about evidence of “trans and leftist stuff” carved into the bullets or casings (tabloids and the WSJ have run with this) when there’s no actual proof.
Turning Point USA will stumble for a bit while they find a new talking head capable of carrying their bullshit platform, but there’s a glut of right wing influencers (and people willing to play one for money) that will fill the gap.
Also, he was shot in front of his kids. They’re already fucked up enough having him as a dad without seeing him catch a bullet in front of them and die.
Look, I’ve got no tears to shed for this balloon headed ass. But this is not a victory. Even if you support the idea of using violence to achieve change, this was a piss poor target.
Fool.
What are they going to do? Send the military into cities and brutalize people?
“Oh no! The fascists will froth if anyone retaliates!”
You might as well join them.
Ben Shapiro cancelled an event he was going to do today. It seems to me like the moment these fascist fucks feel like they could be in danger for the hateful shit they spew they cower in fear. They are keyboard warriors that don’t realize that people can do a lot more than say hurtful things when you do that in public.
He cancelled one event? Holy shit the world is healed!
You aren’t wrong that these people are cowards.
But Luigi didn’t change health insurance. It pushed one bad move from a former United Healthcare exec back but didn’t stop it, and now there’s proposed kickbacks for AI companies whenever their AI denies medicare or medicaid coverage.
There is so damn much broken and I understand the sheer desperation, but lone vigilantes carrying out sporadic and infrequent assassinations with poor target choices are not going to cause long term positive change.
When the system doesn’t work and people are desperate they take matters into their own hands. What else are you going to do?
Organize. Lone vigilantes carrying out incredibly sporadic assassinations against poor target choices isn’t going to make things better.
The Nepalese didn’t overthrow their government by a couple of folks shooting a couple of folks spread out over months.
I could hang with accereated assassinations of facist politicians and they’re cheerleaders.
Arguably if the speed was increased it might get results, but I think it’d just be more likely that they’d burn some of their stupid amounts of money on more security and stuff like popemobile booths.
At the end of the day the US populace can’t provide meaningful resistance to the full might of our military industrial complex, if things were to ever get that far. And I don’t think that our currenr administration would have any issues misusing our military for protection of these assholes.
So we have to organize. If we truly want to overwhelm the military, we’d need to overwhelm them with literal piles of bodies.
If we want to attempt less bloodshed and lives lost, which I would hope most people would want, than we still need to organize and put up a strong front while turning their “allies on the ground” to our side. That means that yes, we need to start doing more concentrated effort to turn our asshole republican neighbors instead of just shunning them. Start sharing techniques and talking points for slowly turning folks, build up your tolerance so you can spend time in their presence slowly dropping the seeds because changing people’s minds takes time.
On the other end, start pulling normal people currently just voting Democrat into more action like showing up to city council votes, into community service and support organizations, and make sure that we’re broadcasting these public goods well and with good branding. Increase engagement across the board.
Do like the “best” Christian groups do and just do unimpeachable good loudly while quietly wearing the affiliation on your sleeve to draw people in, then turn them when they already see you as a good person doing good things.
None of these techniques are new, especially in the Christian church. We just need to fight the feelings of hopelessness, isolation, and the “well your idea of better isn’t my exact idea of better” purity test bullshit you see from people online who for example won’t be satisfied until the end of capitalism entirely… so that we present a united front as a force for general good.
You think the issues with your health insurance is Obamacare? Whatever brother we’re here to help. Eventually down the line we’ll start steering you right once we’ve built that relationship. You’re homeschooling your kids to avoid the woke, but need assistance in a subject you can’t teach them? We’re here to help. Eventually we’ll start steering you right.
It’s exhausting, time consuming work. But it does work for changing hearts and minds.