The first mistake was going to a local business. #fsmallbusiness
The worst is food places. Motherfucker, I don’t need to see a representation of what pepperoni pizza looks like. I already know what pepperoni pizza looks like.
I want to see what your pepperoni pizza looks like.
There were food trucks at a street event here a few weeks ago and some of them had AI menu art. There is no less appealing menu than that.
A lot of marketing material for a product is provided by the manufacturers of a product. Small shops, at-least from my knowledge, don’t have the resources to create marketing material. So blaming them doesn’t really work unless they are making their own products (like restaurants, hand-crafted items, etc).
Anything bigger than A2 is obnoxious
This is the way.
The “shop local” thing is just a bullshit attempt to prey on people’s emotions and ethics.
I can’t afford to pay twice as much locally because it comes out of my grocery budget. If I find a good deal locally, that’s nice. If I find it online only, well, it’s necessary.
Instant walk out, never again
You can get principled on that but then also walk out if they have a phone.
You’re not using one are you?
Do they know where those precious metals come from and how they’re mined? No.Most of these people are also blissfully unaware of any AI problems except them possibly taking over the world.
They don’t even need to understand it, It’s just some cool thingy computers do these days.
Then back to their administration or the facebook.
Average shopkeepers are busy running their shop.
They’re not having ethical debates on Lemmy.The ethics is only one side.
My main concern is the fact that if they use AI for themselves, they will cut every corner known to man when they provide their service to me. I can’t expect an AI slop user to provide me with something of quality, if they can’t even make their slop not look awfully like slop. At least I shouldn’t be able to tell it’s slop.
I find that a bad argument. They are not designers, it is not their field.
If anything it might be that they are too busy with getting better at what they do to waste time on trivial stuff.It’s like saying this or that famous actor must be shit at his job because he’s out in a track suit and crocs.
At the risk of being down voted to oblivion, I don’t mind if they use AI to touch up actual photos of their food, like improve background , lighting etc.
Note the photo has to be original though.
However, if they use AI to generate the whole photo, that’s a problem.
went antiquing recently. store was large and had dedicated vendor booths. half of them had shitty AI generated “vintage” art.
I was thoroughly disgusted.
though, there was a large booth filled with books going back to the early 1800s and woodworking tools in reasonable condition. most books were poetry, but there were some first edition engineering code books there as well.
it was my happy space.
It’s still a local business so why abandon that because no one there has the creative ability to make “cool” looking ads?
AI for the masses means they can “draw” stuff, even without any artistic ability.
You might mention your dislike of their using AI - and offer your artistic services instead. Shunning business because of their lack of creative ability is kind of silly… made even worse if their product is good and what you want.
or, and hear me out, do market research to identify if what you’re planning to do is a good idea.
when you’re running a business, no matter the size, making decisions based on gut feeling is a terrible idea.
Nah, it’s a testament to no matter what you do, some people would rather be miserable and “make a statement” than to just forget the damn ai art and go inside the damn restaurant.
Ahh “the customer is always wrong” motto…
…also, your image of others as “people who prefer to be miserable” rather than people who prefer hand made art, or art that hasn’t been stolen and used for profit by billionaires, or art that wasn’t created by polluting the planet… Is it’s self, a miserable illusion of others.
So you, yourself are choosing the miserable viewpoint.
Personally I’m glad people have a sense of justice, and pay attention to the news and care about issues of morality and climate survival.
I like people fighting billionaires, and fighting for the environment. I think they’re great, and that your view point - is the flawed and weaker one.
Miserable meaning you just HAD to post something about it. I’m all for fighting billionaires, BUT TYPING IN ALL CAPS AT AN ONLINE STRANGER ISN’T FIGHTING BILLIONAIRES.
That wasn’t the order of events, you spoke up on behalf of AI and models trained by billionaire companies destroying the planet THEN you (gasp) got an all caps response (the pain!)… Telling people to just accept it.
Now you’re pretending like that was the start of it, or the part that has harmful or world scale implications.
It’s not. The support for AI companies does.
P.S I didn’t all caps you, I’m not the same person, so stop saying “YOU just had to ALL CAPS ME”.
Why doesn’t the owner just forget the AI AND TAKE A FUCKING PICTURE OF THE FOOD THEY’RE MAKING ???
I’ve been to plenty of restaurants THAT TAKE PHOTOS OF THEIR FOOD and it’s just as capable of being bad than if it was ai. Stay mad though, I’m sure it’ll change because of your anger.
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Baffling response. The point is none of this AI cancer is necessary.
While I agree with the whole ai is ruining shit argument, I’m just saying I’m not going to punish a LOCAL MOM AND POP SHOP for using AI. Instead of boycotting them, why not talk to them about why AI is bad and offer to make their damn menu for them. Instead you pack up your chairs and say Nope! And then go complain about it behind a screen. DO SOMETHING rather than SAYING SOMETHING.
Their artistic skills have nothing to do with their culinary skills.
Willingness to put time and effort into understanding the experience the customer wants.
Or marketing skills, or getting a feel for the room.
Can I pay with an AI picture of a credit card?
Then don’t put up ai art. Just put up a text menu.
It’s like when I go to vendor halls at conventions and half the vendors are repackaged aliexpress/temu items
I’m fine with the massive Chinese booths like that at our flea market. We get some useful stuff for cheap. But in general it turns me off. Our local Goodwills now sell bottom-of-the-barrel Chinese imports for the same prices as the next better sort of thing.
It’s like when I go to
vendor halls at conventions and half the vendorsany store that’s not a mega-department store all the items are repackaged aliexpress/temu itemsftfy
TBH, the US has been middle-manning economically depressed labor for cheap goods for decades. It just turns out that China is way better at it than we are.
Alibaba/express just made it a marketplace where companies could do it with zero friction.
Restaurants using AI for food menu is a sign of bad quality.
Why? Do you assume that means there are robots in the kitchen?
I think it’s a sign that they don’t have their own marketing department.
There’s a place near me that made amazing chicken parmigiana, pasta, and pizzas. Went back recently and they’ve replaced their entire menu with nonsense ai slop. Got a pizza anyway and it was awful, literally had a chunk of bone left in the toppings.
The best pizza I ever had was from a hole-in-the-wall place in Montreal with a layer of grease in the windows, thick cobwebs covered in dead flies, and an air-conditioner black with mold.
If anyone cares, or remembers, it was Rock And Roll Pizza on Bleury, where the Spectrum used to be. In front of the NYKS.
It was a Persian guy running the place. One day I convinced a Persian co-worker to eat there. I guess he gave shit to the owner because the next day the place was a lot cleaner.
Basically they made some kind of shawarma pizza that was out of this world.
Oh and the business next door sold sex dolls, there was a fully inflated transexual doll in that window.
I miss that Montreal. I don’t like the crappy generic condo abomination that’s there now.
So anyways, if greasy windows and dead spiders didn’t turn me off, what does it say that seeing some generic gross AI art turns me off?
(I just remembered another MTL pizza place with greasy windows and dead flies that was so amazing a guy drove from the South Shore just to eat there.)
I also miss when cities weren’t condo oblivions and had character. I really felt this. And the pizza sounded amazing BTW.
Montreal is just becoming a densified condo tower hellscape.
