• bloviate@lemmus.orgEnglish
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        2 days ago

        Western culture won’t work like that. Germany is about as far as we go, and that’s still capitalism.

          • bloviate@lemmus.orgEnglish
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            2 days ago

            This has never been reduced to practice. Completely theoretical. You need to find people where they are, not where they should be.

            • EmmiLime@lemmy.ml
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              2 days ago

              This has never been reduced to practice. Completely theoretical. You need to find people where they are, not where they should be

              Because the bourgeoisie impede any attempt. And you’re wrong as GDR is proof it did work.

              Nazi Germany is capitalism’s response to Communism.

              • bloviate@lemmus.orgEnglish
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                22 hours ago

                I know several former East Germans. None of them was happy. They all agree that things are better now. You don’t have a good example.

                To the extent that the bourgeoisie are able to vote, buy political ads, hire private police, use private schools which reinforce their preferences, etc this will never fly. Again you need to find a third way that is popular. My solution is regulation, but I would happily jump on a bandwagon that has people on it. GDR is not that bandwagon.

                • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlEnglish
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                  22 hours ago

                  "You don’t have a good example because I know a handful of people (who children or not born when the USSR dissolved)

  • YragNitram1956@feddit.uk
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    2 days ago

    I am fearful about the extreme ignorance, simple mindedness and gullibility of some of the electorate. They are completely blind to the effects of neoliberalism, which is the main guiding force behind the bumptious, odious and fascist/racist Reform party who believe that competition is the defining characteristic of human relations. It redefines citizens as consumers, whose democratic choices are best exercised by buying and selling, a process that rewards merit and punishes inefficiency. It maintains that “the market” delivers benefits that could never be achieved by planning. Attempts to limit competition are treated as inimical to liberty. Tax and regulation should be minimised; public services should be privatised. The organisation of labour and collective bargaining by trade unions are portrayed as market distortions that impede the formation of a natural hierarchy of winners and losers. Inequality is recast as virtuous: a reward for utility and a generator of wealth, which trickles down to enrich everyone. Efforts to create a more equal society are both counterproductive and morally corrosive. The market ensures that everyone gets what they deserve. We internalise and reproduce its creeds. The rich persuade themselves that they acquired their wealth through merit, ignoring the advantages – such as education, inheritance, and class – that may have helped to secure it. The poor begin to blame themselves for their failures, even when they can do little to change their circumstances.

  • vagrantdumbo@lemmy.ml
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    2 days ago

    Capitalism is dominant because it is the only model known to survive with stability long term over massive populations.

    A LOT of (especially former-colonies) countries started out socialist and many were communist. They all had to recede back to the one stable model eventually to survive. It has been inevitable, at least till date.

    The only ones who have retained mild socialist elements like powerful public welfare, are those who have already matured as capitalist states, whose population load against state income is distinctively low, and whose society is (consequentially) high-trust enough not to immediately corrupt it.

    Although, with AI and the commoditization of intelligence, it will be interesting to see how things will evolve. Perhaps we might even see the dismissed “impractical” models coming back as actual alternatives somehow.

    • EmmiLime@lemmy.ml
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      2 days ago

      Capitalism is dominant because it is the only model known to survive with stability long term over massive populations.

      Gee I wonder why socialist countries you are thinking of just up and failed?! Just spontaneously happened, no external interference whatsoever, no siree!

    • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlEnglish
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      2 days ago

      Capitalism hasn’t even survived with stability in the short term: it’s yet to manage even a century without a catastrophic crisis.

    • ZMoney@lemmy.world
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      2 days ago

      Capitalism has instability built into its model because it generates inevitable class conflict that has to be resolved through violence. There is no such thing as a stable capitalist state.

    • Oppopity@lemmy.ml
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      2 days ago

      They didn’t have to recede to survive, they were fucking killed that’s why they’re not socialist anymore. Because they were all overthrown or sanctioned to hell or invaded.

  • wrathofcon@lemmy.zip
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    3 days ago

    ‘Everything I dislike is capitalism and the more I dislike it the more capitalismer it is’- Karl Marx

    • calmblue75@lemmy.mlEnglish
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      3 days ago

      India wasn’t a capitalist country when they colonised us and killed millions of us.

  • FlyingCircus@lemmy.world
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    3 days ago

    Capitalism continues to kill vastly more people than the inflated claims about communism. Every year 10 million people die from starvation and preventable disease simply because it isn’t profitable to save them. That means that every 10 years capitalism kills as many as claimed in the Black Book of Communism, the source with the highest number of fatalities attributed to communism.

    US sanctions alone have killed 38 million people in the last 50 years.

    • FlyingCircus@lemmy.world
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      3 days ago

      I should add that the Black Book includes ridiculous things like Nazi soldier deaths in WW2, and the hypothetical children that possibly could have been born if things like the 1933 famine or WW2 didn’t happen. I shouldn’t have even called it a source, but anti-communists love treating it like gospel.

    • drag_net@lemmy.ml
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      3 days ago

      And are people being exposed to lead because they’re huffing it for fun or because they work within a capitalist system that doesn’t care enough about exposing people to lead?

    • NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml
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      3 days ago

      Which country reached communism and then how did it suck equally as bad as 10 million poor people dying every year under capitalism?

        • sangeteria@lemmy.ml
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          2 days ago

          Tell that to the 19th Haitian slaves I’m sure they’d love to hear your opinion on their revolutionary action

        • OrnluWolfjarl@lemmygrad.ml
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          3 days ago

          So the people who fought to win their independence and the people who rebelled against the aristocracy to establish democratic rule are all assholes.

        • Lenin's Dumbbell @lemmygrad.ml
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          3 days ago

          Good. I do not care. I want to use extreme state violence, EXTREME VIOLENCE, to suppress capitalism. No ground, no sympathy, no mercy.

        • BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml
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          3 days ago

          So you’re against people defending themselves from rapists? Crazy.

          Weird to believe the Native Americans were wrong for fighting back against american imperialists.

          Can’t believe you believe the people who downed plane 93 were wrong.

          Funny to take the stance that Ukraine is wrong for fighting Russia.

          You’re the first person I’ve seen that have declared the entire french Revolution invalid, due to it involving an uprising against the nobles.

          Same goes for the American Revolution, really weird to think its wrong for fighting.

          Ive never met anyone who thinks the boston tea party was bad, apart from you. Or at least not on those grounds.

          Youre the first person I’ve met that agrees with Ghandi that the Jews should have just killed themselves during the Holocaust.

        • buprenorffy@lemmy.ml
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          3 days ago

          If you’re gonna use violence to enforce your will I’m gonna call you an asshole.

          You’re calling everyone who ever fought for their liberation assholes. Could it be you’re the asshole?

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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          3 days ago

          Western liberals will cheer for the brave people risking their lives against state violence in some far away country. But the moment it touches their own country and their own skin, suddenly they only support state violence being closeted fascists that they are.