• Gigan@lemmy.world
    635·
    1 年前

    It made $2 billion but I don’t know anyone that saw it. Or if they did, they didn’t talk about it.

    • deus@lemmy.world
      465·
      1 年前

      I saw it. I enjoyed it a lot. Pandora’s seas look even more stunning than the forest did in the first movie. Loved meeting the Omatikaya clan and Jake’s new family (Spider and Kiri too, of course). Also, Quaritch being reborn as a Na’vi made him a much scarier and more interesting antagonist than he was. Can’t wait to see what Cameron has in store for us in the sequels.

    • angrymouse@lemmy.world
      329·
      1 年前

      I saw it, it was shit, specially because I remember the first. The plot of the 2 is horrible, even comparing with first that was generic.

      The story moves around the fact that humans want to get rid of blue ppl from a place to explore mineral resources, the leadr of the blues go away, instead of massacre the blue ppl they go for the leader in another place (???)

      And half of the movie is just kids doing shit to help the plot show the water, this movie was a long and slow torture.

      • 1simpletailer@startrek.website
        191·
        1 年前

        Holy shit do these movies need to edited down. Watched the latest one a few weeks ago and man was it 90 minutes of plot stretched into a 3 hour film. Felt like I was just watching James Cameron fellate himself on screen. Oh yeah Jimmy, such a beautiful and imaginative world. Shame it’s wasted on the blandest characters and most simplistic themes imaginable.

        • angrymouse@lemmy.world
          11·
          1 年前

          I believe if was 80 minutes I would remember it as a good movie and a visual masterpiece, but now I remember as a slugg story that destroyed a technical achievement.

      • FrostyTheDoo@lemmy.world
        7·
        1 年前

        I watched it in 3D on mushrooms. It was one hell of an experience that way, but my god it felt like it lasted 10 hours

        • angrymouse@lemmy.world
          6·
          1 年前

          I saw 3D as well and It was undisputable beautiful, but half of the movie I didn’t see, I was rolling my eyes. I Just can’t accept how a movie so expensive was unable to create a plot aligned with the Idea of a visual masterpiece.

          • FrostyTheDoo@lemmy.world
            2·
            1 年前

            Yeah, my friend was over it as soon as he saw humans sent the same exact general who got his ass kicked the first time back to try to do the exact same thing. Obviously it can’t be 100% realistic but if there was any suspension of disbelief at all it could have been so much better

      • JackbyDev@programming.devEnglish
        2·
        1 年前

        If I remember correctly, Sarge (no idea wtf his name is) had a vendetta and the folks not in his direct circle of troops were hesitant to allow his pursuit of Jake.

        Don’t mistake this as some defense of perfect writing, it wasn’t my favorite or anything, but I do think that was talked about.

        • angrymouse@lemmy.world
          1·
          1 年前

          But iirc the general also sent soldiers after Sarge (I also don’t remember his name) to kill Jake, it was not just the vendetta guy

          • JackbyDev@programming.devEnglish
            1·
            1 年前

            Yeah, like once Sarge convinced them they were on board but I could’ve sworn there was at least hesitancy. His argument was something like Jake is a symbol? Idk.

        • afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world
          11·
          1 年前

          Yeah you don’t remember his name. Action and horror movies depend almost solely on the strength of the villain. So when no one can remember even the name of the villain what does it say about the movie?

          • JackbyDev@programming.devEnglish
            11·
            1 年前

            I don’t remember characters’ names from movies I love either though. I’m very bad with people’s names as well.

              • JackbyDev@programming.devEnglish
                1·
                1 年前

                Of course I do, I’m just saying it’s very common for me to forget. I loved Scream but I can only remember Tatum. Matthew Lillard I kept calling Shaggy. I recently saw Insidious again and I remember like, Elaine? And that’s it. My memory of characters’ names doesn’t seem to correlate very strongly with the quality of the movie.

      • Tavarin@lemmy.ca
        34·
        1 年前

        Well if you only watch it on a small screen that makes sense. In Imax 3D it was stunning, and very engrossing.

        • lightnsfw@reddthat.com
          5·
          1 年前

          The special effects were beautiful it was the plot that was the problem. Pretty much the same as the first one.

          • Tavarin@lemmy.ca
            33·
            1 年前

            And that’s a problem?

            I still enjoyed the story, but being so drawn in by the world is what certainly helped make it more enjoyable.

            • wombatula@lemm.eeEnglish
              1·
              1 年前

              Once it leaves theatres, of course that is a problem lmao. Where can I go see it in imax 3d? Spend half a million dollars on a home cinema?

              I watch most movies at home, as do most people (especially since covid), if I can’t even buy tickets to the theme park then what interest is it to me?

    • Tavarin@lemmy.ca
      61·
      1 年前

      I saw it in Imax and had a great time. I know several people who also saw it and loved it.

    • Magister@lemmy.world
      4·
      1 年前

      As a lot of people I saw the first one in 3D IMAX surrounds DTS whatever. Once. Never watched it again. Never saw the second one.

    • WalrusDragonOnABike@kbin.social
      51·
      1 年前

      I heard many people mention it. I think mostly high schoolers (I work in education)? Probably the same people who watch anything that’s trending news. People I know who are actually old enough to see the original in theatres mostly seemed uninterested.

  • spudwart@spudwart.comEnglish
    506·
    1 年前

    Pros: As an effect of him writing the script in the 90s, the movie feels like a 90s movie with modern fx.

    Cons: As an effect of him writing the script in the 90s, the movie feels like a 90s movie, with ancient overdone tropes, including the racist ones.

      • 1simpletailer@startrek.website
        322·
        1 年前

        I mean the Na’vi are an infantilized hodgepodge of several shallow stereotypes of indigenous people precision designed to be sexy so the lowest common denominator sympathizes with them. The commenter may be referring to that.

          • 🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 ℹ️@yiffit.netEnglish
            344·
            1 年前
            • The manner in which they talk
            • the lack of technology greater than bows and arrows
            • all plants and animals are treated as sacred
            • outsiders are not welcome
            • clothing that only covers up the naughty bits

            The Na’vi are basically native American stereotypes in every conceivable way, except blue and have tails.

            • IdealShrew@lemmy.world
              1015·
              1 年前

              Is that not all true even for some tribes today? I don’t mean native American, but for example look at the people on Sentinel Island or similar - I think this is what they were going for with the NaVi

                • IdealShrew@lemmy.world
                  74·
                  1 年前

                  this is what humans were like for thousands of years, how is it racist to make characters based on that?

              • dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                1·
                1 年前

                If you can confirm that James Cameron used Sentinel Island people as the direct design influence for the Na’Vi, you might have some kind of a point. But he didn’t. He made them sexy babies with big eyes so he could override your Disney brain and sell some toys.

    • dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      11·
      1 年前

      At a certain point, his success and money is just self-sustaining. He could release a video of him shitting and it would make half a billion domestic. Like, there are at least 3 more Avatar movies coming. Terminator was an actual cultural phenomenon that people can remember the names of all of the characters and the plot, and yet it only did a fraction of the numbers Avatar does. Explain that.

  • Shardikprime@lemmy.world
    282·
    1 年前

    Gotta love the realistic space ships.

    Literally melted in my seat when I saw the radiators. FUCKING incredible

  • Rin@lemm.ee
    233·
    1 年前

    I’m assuming the sequel is also forgettable considering that I’ve barely heard a thing about the plot.

      • HexBee@lemm.ee
        20·
        1 年前

        No no no no, it doesn’t just have a plot. It has the same plot even with all the same protagonists and antagonists.

        • credit crazy@lemmy.world
          31·
          1 年前

          Someone better get him out of his sub the air is making him a bit loopy enough to think avatar 2 is a good plot

    • bitsplease@lemmy.ml
      53·
      1 年前

      The sequel is literally “the exact same movie as the first one, but this time with water (and bonus animal cruelty)”

      I actually enjoyed the first one, but the second movie added nothing of value and cheapened everything that happened in the first one (in that literally no one gives a shit about unobtanium anymore)

      Edit: Curious as to what the downvoters are taking issue with about my comment. Nothing wrong with liking the movie, but you have to admit the plot was basically identical to the first one, just with new characters and a different setting

  • Blackmist@feddit.ukEnglish
    15·
    1 年前

    Made three out of the top four grossing movies of all time.

    I don’t really like any of them, but you can’t argue with the results. The man knows how to put bums on cinema seats.

      • dustyData@lemmy.worldEnglish
        124·
        1 年前

        This is precisely it. Avatar had originally the exact same problem that the Way of the Water has now. They’re tech demos. Interesting, pretty, they move people to see what’s what on the theater. But, offer close to nothing emotionally or culturally resonant. It’s like a generic roller-coaster, you show up, enjoy the ride, then go get some fries having nothing deeper to say about the experience because the experience doesn’t offer anything deep. It doesn’t mean the movies are bad or that they weren’t enjoyable, that’s why they made so much money. But there’s no conversation to have around them except to remark on how much they cost to make, or how did the CGI looked like or whether other studios will use the tech invented for this movie on other movies. Plot, characters and symbolism are shallow pools. Specially to an audience that is sick and tired of mega blockbuster sequels.

  • thorbot@lemmy.world
    205·
    1 年前

    My wife and I started watching the second avatar and we turned it off about 90 minutes in, just couldn’t be bothered to care or watch it any more. And we never finished it. What a piece of crap

    • slackassassin@sh.itjust.works
      172·
      1 年前

      Watched it in IMAX 3d with my kid. It ruled, so much fun to watch. Will never watch it again though, and certainly never at home. That defeats the entire purpose.

      • Obi@sopuli.xyz
        5·
        1 年前

        We even went to a new “4D” room where the seats moved, you got wind and mist etc. It’s like a thrill ride at that point almost.

        • Killing_Spark@feddit.de
          5·
          1 年前

          I mean, it’s not that much about the movie but about the experience. It’s just an FX festival. Of course that’s only going to work with the appropriate equipment.

        • slackassassin@sh.itjust.works
          3·
          1 年前

          That is a very strange conclusion. Plenty of movies are good without an immersive 3d experience. Most are, actually. Avatar just isn’t one of them.

          But it was, none the less, an extremely fun experience. Things can be good for different reasons.

          It’s kinda like watching a video of an amusement park ride and being like, “don’t you think it’s weird to have to drive to the park and get on the ride for it to be good.”

  • Bonehead@kbin.social
    142·
    1 年前

    So it may have taken 13 years to come back with a sequel that no one asked for and no one expected. But at least he gave us something. Unlike a certain South African director that shall remain nameless…3 years my ass…

  • kttnpunk@lemmy.worldEnglish
    176·
    1 年前

    It was such a bad movie too. Dude was really just like “let’s remake the first movie, but wetter”