You’d have to be pretty dumb to think not voting is the right move.
Like, even Trump voters are legitimately smarter than that. “Not voted” people are the very bottom of the scale.
The point isn’t that withholding votes will bring about a better world, the point is that voting within capitalism cannot bring about socialism, and that socialism is necessary. It’s not “voting is harm,” nor is it “withholding votes does good,” it’s “voting is ineffective.”
The unstated point of the meme is that we must seek means of change outside of the system put in place to prevent change. Educating, agitating, and organizing is the way forward. We can only get socialism through revolution, otherwise we will be trapped in the same cycle of decay.
Liberals when you disrespect their cute little religious superstition: “You are mentally defective for refusing to vote for Holocaust 2, I’m the opposite of a fascist btw.”
Funny how lots of people are suddenly vocal about not voting here on Lemmy, an almost exclusively left-leaning platform.
Gee, could there be an election soon?
Leftists have not meaningfully increased revolutionary rhetoric based on the Statesian electoral cycle. You may tune out more whenever elections aren’t around the corner, but revolutionary socialists have consistently pushed people to organize precisely because it doesn’t depend on the electoral cycle to work.
Liberals when you point out the demonic human cost of their sociopath politics: “I will now imply or outright state that you are an agent of a foreign conspiracy to undermine The Nation, or perhaps a literal machine. I’m the opposite of a fascist btw.”
“Funny how there’s suddenly all these guys wearing orange vests in the woods, gee could it be hunting season?” yeah dude, it’s almost like whatever is up in the zeitgeist gets discussed more often. Next you’ll notice how when you take an action, there is a reaction.
Also, people are pretty vocal about not voting for dems most of the time. You only notice every two years when mainstream media primes your brain to care about politics.
Not just USA, but all countries with “democracy”. Every candidates to vote came from same oligarch groups.
Democracy within socialism is good and works for the people, but democracy within capitalism is a sham.
I know it can be incredibly frustrating. Only 50-ish to 60-ish percent turnout out most elections which is sad (https://ballotpedia.org/Voter_turnout_in_United_States_elections). You can also vote with your money. Be conscious about what you spend your money on or just spend less. Vote with your data (restrict access to it). Be anonymous. Delete online accounts or use fake information as much as possible. Don’t feed the machine. Vote with your actions. Protest and show support for what you believe in. Vote with your feelings. Don’t go for the rage bait and trolls. Block all that shit. Don’t let it drag you down. Free your mind. Vote with your morals. Help those in need. Be kind. And above all just survive. You can’t make a difference if you are dead.
You can theoretically vote with your money. But you would need billions of dollars to vote. That’s the only way you can vote in a way that counts in capitalism.
America is the only society I know of that boasts of open elections but has no collective curiosity about who counts the votes or how it’s done.
I’m not saying fair elections would help; but I still get triggered easily by the subject.
I would like to think future historians will be as unkind to the vote pushers, as they will be to the fascists
Anyone advocating for not voting is advocating for fascism.
Don’t only vote. But fucking vote.
The United States has a uniparty; all voting does is change the decal on the genocide machine. Vote if you want, I don’t really care, but don’t act like it does anything of substance.
Don’t only vote. But fucking vote.
Bullshit. In the generals, sure. But not in the primaries, where it actually matters, and that’s how you get better candidates in the general. Mamdami proved this.
Most states have cheating in the primaries, both parties: unless you are lucky to live in a state that uses a voting system which prevents that.
What is the purpose of participating in a primary unless the votes are transparently counted and recounted by humans who are witnessed by representatives of the candidates?
If it is to raise awareness of the cheating, then some participation maybe good? Like, if the candidate or party/org is allowed to point at the the problematic voting system and propose changes etc as part of campaign promotion.
I would be totally behind raising awareness of proper vote counting with paper ballots; except that is what I did for years in my state, at first inside the Democratic Party ; then later when that had no traction, outside of it.
There is zero demand or push for better vote counting that I saw in the progressive wings of the Democratic Party. And equally few cares given by people in the republican side.
I spoke to activists in minority communities and there is zero momentum there, and no appetite to take that on.
In fact, it was such a sad experience for me, that it’s what inspired me to become a communist.
I’ve experienced trying to raise awareness and it only raised my awareness, not others.
Voting for genocide is not okay how hard is it to comprehend to you people?
because one side offers a cookie and the other wants you to be a victim of said genocide.
What the fuck are you trying to say? Genocide is being treated as a bipartisan issue in the name of voting democrats. Who gets the cookie? is it crackers for the cracKKKers? You’re vile that you completely wrote off the Palestinians if it means you get that cookie. Disgusting.
one side wants my friends dead the other doesn’t, both sides don’t give a shit about some mostly homeless people on the other side of the world.
both sides don’t give a shit about some mostly homeless people on the other side of the world.
LMFAO what a mask off. Talk about dehumanizing the pain and misery your country inflicts on the rest of the world as “some mostly homeless people”
Have you considered following your leader?
Least selfish shitlib
If both sides are genocide, but one side is genocide both at home and abroad, ushering in a literal apocalypse on the fronts of education, lgbtq rights, removing the human rights of your neighbours, skyrocketing costs and decimating your savings, ushering in a religious autocracy, and killing the planet even more, is this a hard choice?
Both sides may be a shit sandwich, but one side is a shit sandwich with human rights and who have shown they can be pressured to have less shit, and the other is double shit and everyone dies with strip mining in the meantime, but both sides are the same?
Are you even serious?
/> Human rights
- Every regime has deported more people than the previous regime
- All Kamala could say about trans people was that “they should follow the law”
- Every regime has increased police funding and expanded the carceral state.
- Roe v Wade was overturned under Joe Biden, who did fuck all to stop it
- Roe v Wade could have been enshrined, or whatever the fuck the word is, under Obama
- Obama was the one who expanded ICEs budget and purview
- Joe Biden was a fervent supporter of Israel
- Joe Biden sicced cops on peaceful protesters
- Joe Biden had people disappeared in black vans during the riots in 2020
What human rights?
Your argument seems to be “well they’re not throwing me in the camps” but seems like they’re well on their way to doing exactly that and you’re just strengthening them.
one side is a shit sandwich with human rights
Your daily reminder that western shitlibs don’t consider Palestinians human
That’s a lot of words for “first they came for the Palestinians, and I threw their asses under the bus because they’re not me.”
Are you even serious?
are you serious? 99% Hitler vs 100% Hitler? Except you only care about domestic issues and don’t give one fuck about people outside your country. You don’t even consider them human when you talk like this.
Fucking disgusting. How about overthrowing your fucking genocidal governments?
No. There’s no 0% Hitler. If you think there is, you’re being ridiculous.
Percentage comparisons are ludicrous, but if we must, I’d say like 10% Hitler vs 90% Hitler. I’d rather save some Jews rather than no Jews, with the option to save more Jews soon.
Why is this hard?
Both sides are genocide everywhere, you just dont notice or care when its your team doing it.
Why is this hard?
Why is this hard for you?
but one side is genocide both at home and abroad
You people are fucking pathetic btw. Palestine is going through daily bombings, dehumanization, torture and mass killings. All as part of your country’s push for genocide along with “Israel”. And they are still struggling and fighting and resisting.
And you experience ONE BILLIONTH of the pain and you decide turning genocide into a bipartisan issue is the way to go!
Selfish and monstrous.
You should at least try to pretend that you consider Palestinians human
Because the alternative to genocide was “this genocide keeps happening anyway with perhaps even more support from us, but we’ll also start a genocide on latinos and pick several other fights that will get millions of people hurt”. How is THAT the better option?
This shit would also be under the colour blue. Kamala Harris was mocking Trump for not deporting enough lmfao
ml and hexbear folks are now going to be crawling out of the woodwork to remind everyone on a somewhat left-leaning platform not to vote. Because they LOVE it when republicans win.
I’m not even American, but I keep saying this: If the far right stands a good chance of winning, then leading up to the election, shut the fuck up and hold your nose and vote for the candidate that’s not pedohitler (okay, this time around it’s midterms not presidential, but the point stands). Spend the rest of the time doing whatever you can to actually change things, though.
Joe Biden was pretty big on suppressing MeToo. And I dont know if you recall but the democrats are also on the Epstein list.
Are there still primaries in places? Because that’s where you push your 3rd party candidates. Primaries are where your choice is heard most.
If you ignored the primaries and didn’t even try to change the choices on offer, you can’t complain when those choices are bad.
(I mean the royal you, not you, @boonhet)
shut the fuck up and hold your nose and vote for the candidate that’s not pedohitler
They’re all pedohitlers. You people only care about Trump because he is mean to the domestic population and their vassal states.
Literally they are all on team genocide.
Yes.
Venezuela, those Iranian schoolgirls (as well as all the other Iranians affected), and the millions upon millions of people affected by the USAID cuts are of course all American internal issues only.
Imperialism is bipartisan.
This did not start with fucking Trump holy fuck are you people insane. Venezuela has been under siege long before Trump stepped foot into office in his first term.
those Iranian schoolgirls
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/10/8/kamala-harris-says-iran-is-greatest-adversary-of-us
Amerikkkans were always doing this. History did not start with Trump. You are disgusting.
USAID cuts
A tool of imperialism got cut, oh no! No more forced austerity and regime changes hopefully!
Not voting is dumb. Might as well drown if you don’t.
Voting doesn’t get meaningful change, because it’s designed not to be able to. That doesn’t mean our hands our tied, we can roll up our sleeves and get organized. Collective power is the working class’s strongest tool, and it’s magnified when we all work in the same direction. Revolution is possible and necessary.
I would say voting for those working against your interests is even dumber
in other words: the only allowed political action to be committed under capitalism is voting. we have to pretend we are challenging the status quo without doing anything at all right?
that’s just wrong, you can form a superpac and advertise.
Voting for genocidal bigots is dumber
Voting is the first and easiest step, right?
In scenarios where it does not seem to save you from drowning, What is to be done?
Yeah exactly. Voting is 20 minutes out of one day once a year if you’re super active. It doesn’t hinder any other efforts and it doesn’t diminish all the other work you can and should be doing the other 364 days 23 hours and 40 minutes. Maybe you can spend that 40 minutes learning about the candidates to have a more informed vote. It’s just a stinky thing you do to try and put the lesser of two evils in.
It also wouldn’t take much time for me to pray once or twice a day, but what’s it supposed to actually accomplish?
It doesn’t hinder any other efforts
Actually, further entrenching a right-wing genocidal party of geriatric oligarchs does hinder other efforts. Further normalising and legitimising the ever-expanding fascist police-state does hinder other efforts.
It’s just a stinky thing you do to try and put the lesser of two evils in.
Or, following your logic, it would be more useful to do something like vote third party.
Yes. Vote first because if nobody votes then the fascists (whose voters are pretty damn consistent) are legitimate.
In scenarios where it does not seem to save you from drowning, What is to be done?
Well that’s up to you and the like-minded people in your community.
I feel like if there was any sort of uprising, the far right vastly out numbers the far left. What comes out may not be what we want.
Let me introduce you to something called the American civil war, where we’re already learned the far right can’t win.
Okay cool let’s just give up and let them kill us all then
It’s not even true, the real issue on the left is getting turnout motivated
Posts like this are meant to reduce turnout
Edit: dems that didn’t vote this last election ARE how we got here. This meme is just plain dumb
Democrats aren’t the left
My own dem governor is throwing people like me under the bus, the entire democratic party is adopting genocidal rhetoric and policies to embrace a non existent center. Please sincerely fuck off with this garbage blaming the left. No amount of voting for people that hate me is going to improve my conditions or stop the fascists from wanting to exterminate me. Do not fucking talk down to me.
Also I am not and never will be “a dem that didn’t vote” I am a communist and I am painfully aware of the fact there is no way to stop fascism just by voting for those who openly state their desire to preserve the capitalist system that gave rise to and is giving rise to and always will give rise to fascism and Nazism.
Blaming millions of of working class people in the democratic base over the small amount of policymakers in the DNC leadership. Who chose to run to the right on almost every issue in an attempt to gain the votes of the mythical ‘moderate conservatives’.
Including supporting a genocide unpopular with the public as a whole(Poll from March 27, 2024: https://news.gallup.com/poll/642695/majority-disapprove-israeli-action-gaza.aspx and the numbers were even higher when you selected for people more inclined to vote for the democrats) which would obviously suppress voter turnout among their left-leaning baseThe DNC being beholden to their Megadonors and PACs over the working class base, and running on a triangylated center-right platform instead of on policy that would materially benefit the base at the expense of the Megadonors profits Is how we actually got here
You can’t browbeat people working 40+ hours a week living paycheck to paycheck to the polls, with ‘lesser evilism’ and asking them to swallow their morality to vote for a party directly arming genocidaires,
the DNC needs to radically change their platform leftwards to energise the base to get out the vote even if it’s at the expense of a fraction of their Megadonor’s profits if they actually want to winPosts like this are meant to reduce turnout
This shit always pisses me off so much. Nobody is deciding whether to vote or not based on shitposts on an extremely niche internet forum.
yeah man, everyone should have compromised on genocide
What? This doesn’t even make sense in response to my comment
Edit: dems that didn’t vote this last election ARE how we got here. This meme is just plain dumb
Dems were pushing hard on genocide, it was ramped up significally under Biden too.
Alraight, this is pissing me off. Why in the fuck should I vote dem if they embrace the genocide against me and my people as soon as they have any damn pressure? They have this coming election in the bag, why are they trying to be “culturally normal”? Ill tell you why, they are not our friends, voting for them only makes you feel good because your vote is colored blue. You are a part of the problem because to you this is just a game, but to me, I aint playing. This is life and death for people like me. FU lib.
