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When I switched to Linux, I thought more distros means more good-er. More choices for people doesn’t hurt.
Now I’m slowling becoming part of the ‘old men yelling at cloud’ team. Arch and Purple Arch (endevourOS) is all you need. (At least for me).
Choices ARE good! It helped you find the niche that suits you best. After a while we forget that other people value different things, so there is no one best choice.
Wait until you try NixOS
I honestly can’t see a single advantage of Cachy over Endevour, as the performance boosts seem to have no real effect on any if my hardware.
Friendlier defaults, graphical package manager included out of the box, some tasks will benefit from packages that can use the instructions on your cpu. I can’t see a single advantage of Endeavour over Cachy.
That said they are both very similar.
“Graphical package manager included out of the box”, ahh I see, this is not the distro for me.
Nobody is forcing you to use it instead of command line, or preventing you from uninstalling it.
Sure, but if that’s a selling point, an advantage as we were discussing, then it’s obviously the wrong distro for me. I’m sure it’s great for others.
Endeavor is a very good distro, don’t get me wrong, I’m not trying to convince you to switch. It just seems silly to me that it seemed like you were interested in the other Cachy features, but as soon as you hear that it comes with a GUI package manager, that automatically makes it not for you, when it wouldn’t affect you.
Except for the fact that I very clearly said there were no features that I found interesting? And also, avoid anti-features doesn’t seem particularly silly to me.
If you or anyone else wants to use cachy, that’s great, but it’s not for me.
But… If you want to dip your toes into an Arch distro, which may need manual mantainace with the command line from time to time, you will end up having to open the terminal anyway?
Why not get comfortable in Endeavour with a ‘pacman -S’ from time to time?
Honestly I managed to brick 2 EndeavourOS installs. This was during just a normal weekly update cycle. With Cachy I haven’t had a single issue running a weekly update. And I mean I use yay and install heavily from the AUR and I still have yet to screw up an install. Obviously I’m more experienced now than I was when I started with Manjaro and then EndeavourOS, but it’s been butter smooth with Cachy.
That is the beauty of the Archiverse.
Meanwhile, Garuda is quietly working away in the corner watching the drama.
It’s always interesting to see what gets included in these comparisons. I started on Bazzite and didn’t like it and found Garuda was Arch based, gaming focused, worked with Nvidia already, and had a few preconfigured desktop environment choices. It was easy to set up, works great, and I’ve been very happy.
I’ve been curious about cachy but have been too satisfied to switch. I’d love to hear a critique if anyone has tried both. What am I missing?
Garuda is very, VERY similar to CachyOS. They are both gaming focused, Arch rolling releases, have their own modified kernel, have their own repos, both set up proprietary Nvidia drivers by default.
I haven’t spent a lot of time with Garuda, but I’ve found CachyOS to be an improved version of what it is trying to do. It has a bigger community, better gaming performance in every benchmark I’ve seen (they’ve also had a few bugs lately that have made Fedora benchmark better than Garuda), better general Ui responsiveness (and if you use Garuda’s Dragonized Desktop it’s even heavier than GNOME). I also don’t like that Garuda enables Chaotic AUR out of thr box. This allows random third parties to compile binaries for you, instead of building from source. This takes a lot less time to update if you have limited hardware, but you’re also probably not using a bleeding edge OS if you have old hardware. AUR is already dangerous, no need to add Chaotic AUR where you can’t even be sure that what code is being executed on your system is what is described in the package. Lastly I like Shelly a lot more than Pamac, I couldn’t even get Pamac to manage Flatpak last time I tried it, and Shelly easily manages every possible package type with ease and matches KDE’s theming better.
That being said, Linux is Linux for the most part. I did make this meme making fun of other CachyOS users for thinking the performance boosts are so mega important.
I’m on xfce, so the dragonized desktop isn’t an issue for me. Thanks for the thoughtful response. If I start running into any issues at some point I’ll look into switching over.
XFCE is generally fine and lightweight, but you may be shooting yourself in the foot there since it won’t support gaming related features like VRR or HDR. It is still on X11. If you don’t use Wayland features it may be fine though.
Oh, that’s good to know. I’ll have to look into that. I’ll admit I just went for the option that seemed the most streamlined without really researching tradeoffs.
If you do end jup switching, KDE is generally the way to go, though GNOME is usually good about depending in implementation by the distro, but Garuda is rolling so you should be good there. Some Window Managers support all Wayland features as well.
If you’re satified you’re probably not missing much.
Most of the Arch-based distros have found a niche of their own and most of them try to offer varying levels of help to the user to sweeten the Spartan experience of vanilla Arch.
Some of them like Endeavour try to keep the interference minimal, they offer some presets and some theming and an installer and stop there.
Distros like Cachy and Garuda are somewhere in the middle, with some quality of life stuff such as graphical package installers, and some custom packages, and streamlined driver install.
A distro like Manjaro or SteamOS takes it to the extreme with a “mommy knows best” setup that only bears a tenuous resemblance to vanilla Arch anymore, and you have to leave it alone to work as intended.
I like Cachy. It runs on my AMD Framework 13. Arch runs on my desktop, and I have reached an equilibrium where it’s stable enough to for me to ignore the occasional crash or complete freeze up (which is audio related and rare enough that I just don’t care to try to fix atm).
Actually now that I think about it, I haven’t had a audio lockup since I swapped to using my video card’s audio. So maybe I have a defective audio chip on my motherboard. 🤷
which is audio related
flaskbacks intensify
I’ve never has freezes, but I fought my pipewire for a long time over chopped-up audio. I believe some kernel flag for real-time interrupt handling solved the issue at last, which I found on some audio forum after three evenings’ worth of tinkering and fiddling and eventually scouring the internet when I accepted I wouldn’t figure it out on my own. IDK if it’s of any use to you, but I can dig it out if you’d like.
Oh man thanks that would actually be delightful. Whenever you got time, I’d appreciate whatever fix helped. Even if it doesn’t solve the problem directly, it might put me on the right path.
I think this was the one:
https://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/system_configuration
I added
threadirqto the launch options as described under “Using the threadirqs kernel option”, which solved it for me, but you’ll probably want to read the whole page anyway.I will study this page like my entire academic career hinges on it and I’m a ritalin-addled undergrad.
Despite the fact that I graduated 18 years ago. Thank you.
Glad to restore some memory of youth to you ;-)
Hope it helps, or is at least an interesting read
Sometimes the Linux community is pretty cool, love you guys.
If you look closely at almost any large community, you’ll find both lovely and awful people and interactions. I try to be part of the former, but I confess that I sometimes fall in with the letter. I think that’s just human nature, but we tend to notice the negative more than the positive.
When I used Arch on my laptop, my computer would randomly refuse to boot up at random and I had to manually fix it by booting into the installation media. After switching to Cachy I’ve never had to do that. I don’t know what black magic Cachy had to fix that problem, but I’ve never switched back, lol
… Yeah? It is. It’s susceptible to the exact same issues Arch can
tbf since you have to set up more stuff by yourself in arch it is more susceptible to human failure
before i learned of archinstall, i would install arch and after around a month the timezone would stop working
though cachy did break for me and i couldn’t update for like a month before i switched back to arch because the login manager in cachy would load forever (thankfully, it did have snapper set up so that wasn’t a big issue. i even put snapper in my next arch installation)
CachyOS
Arch
More like
Arch: Actually you took most of who you are from me.
I’m not even sure what kind of distro cachy is, some kind of gaming optimised?
It has a customized kernel that supposedly improves performance. Well that, and it actually has a better installer than arch-install imo
It also uses optimization flags for their repositories, which results in better performance as well but drops support for CPUs older than i4?
No, it is separated repos:
- generic which works everywhere and
- v3
- v4
Does it auto detect your architecture to know which to install?
Yes while u installing os with gui installer it’ checking ur machine
OS tribalism again 🙄
Spoken like a (insert your distro) user. Stone them!
Splitter!
Passes them a joint
Boooo throws rocks
Blasphemer!
Not really, I use CachyOS, but it is funny how much people hype the performance boosts. I notice it, but not by a ton or anything. It’s mostly just Arch but easier to use and with built in tools that are helpful.
So I’m actually making fun of the tribalism.
I don’t really see how the meme expresses that.
I use CachyOS BTW 🚀
The way I understood the gain of the performance optimization of the scheduler as explained on the cachyOS page is that UI may feel more responsive
The way i experience it is that its a lot harder to fuck up a cachyos installation than it is to fuck up base arch…
Thus improving performance (anecdotally)
That is true, Arch performance is technically at zero when I’m staring at Terminal for 3 hours.
I like CachyOS and it’s my go to if I want to use Arch. Everytime I install Arch I always forget something, always. so then it’s trying to remember what I did the last time to get something to work correctly. With CachyOS it’s just good to go for me. and they’ve really improved the install process and cut out A LOT of bloat. Before it would take forever to install Cachy but now it’s quick and the only thing I really have to remove when it’s done is alacritty and firefox. Paired with KDE it’s smooth sailing and great performance.
I’ve installed arch a couple times. I think it’s helpful do a few times at least so you know how things work.
Now I just use endeavoros though.
It is a good educational experience, especially if you want to do sysadmin adjacent stuff.
Yes, I think it may have cured my distro hopping. I was on Fedora KDE the longest besides Cachy, but there’s a lot of little things that I like better.
The number of times I have said this… The urge to hop will return. I recommend investing in a cheap secondary piece of hardware, like an older used Lenovo Thinkpad.
You can choose to install Firefox or not in the setup. It has its own checkbox in the package list.
It’s up to you, do you want to make your pizza from scratch or do you want it made for you? Since I’m so bad at making my own pizza (often burn it), I choose to have it made for me.
But sometimes, it’s nice to slap a few extra slices of something on that pre-made frozen pizza. 🫳🧅🧄🥓
Oh, absolutely. The more merrier.
I use Mint btw.
Telling people what distro you use is cringe
I use arch btw
Ah yes, I remember the days I used Arch. I was a younger man back then, I was so thin and heterosexual. Then one day I did an update and boofed my bootloader. I made the repairs, but I grew tired of this. I stopped liking it when my computer broke because of my own incompetence and just wanted something stable.
Now I use Mint and I’m fat and gay.
You were straighter when you used Arch? That can’t be right, isn’t that against the rules?
I’m autistic and have ADHD, so things often work backwards for me. Like how I drink coffee to help me sleep.
Where’s Manjaro?
Oh man, I had to go way down in the comments to find a Manjaro fight. I even saw a fight over Mint on my way here. Mint, ffs.
WTF I though Manjaro was the black sheep of the Arch family.
Good question, let me check real quick…
Oh. I can’t. They forgot to renew their website’s SSL certificate for the 9th time.
I see people talking about ease of use as if there are no Arch-based distros that do that already, is all
In fairness, Manjaro was one of the first ones to be that. And their 2 week waiting period for updates seems like a solid middle ground. The problem is, they don’t actually test those updates much, and if there is a breaking change on Arch, it’s usually on Manjaro as well, just 2 weeks later. This is not only pointless, but can cause additional dependency issues from being out of date, especially if you use the AUR.
Also sorry if I came off harsh earlier, I’m just poking fun at everyone in this thread, even myself as a CachyOS user.
especially if you use the AUR
Which you do by default even without knowing it as Manjaro comes with an AUR helper pre-installed and also skips all the “this is user generated content; use at own risk”-warnings an Arch user would find in the wiki when trying to install something from the AUR.
no worries, and thanks for the explanation
Manjaro is Patrick when he had a job at the Krusty Krab and was trying to sweep with the wrong end of the broom.
We don’t talk about Bruno.
I’ve been using Arch for like 20 years and I think CachyOS is neat.
