• brucethemoose@lemmy.world
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    21 days ago

    I mean… No? Absolutely not.

    I dont even know where to begin. Maybe with their state being fixed in time; LLMs do not change. An sci fi analogy might be the “no timers” in orion’s arm, who are but a single thought frozen in an infinite loop in time:

    https://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/47f4311eaef31

    Except they arent even that, because its just a next word completion model, not something that thinks. It is not self aware.

    https://arxiv.org/pdf/2503.09211

    https://openreview.net/forum?id=klU4737opt

    https://arxiv.org/abs/2504.09762

    This becomes (to me) very obvious if you ever use an LLM in raw completion mode. It very smart, but at the end of the day its no different than a weather prediction model spitting out probabilities for a storm system.


    Chat finetuning is meant to get humans to anthropomorphize them by training on human preferences, and the interface further reinforces this. Its all a trick, albeit a very elaborote one.

    Will future architectures be closer to “thinking?”

    Maybe.

    But we are a long way away.

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      21 days ago

      The fact they are trained to complete sentences and are thus word predicting models only tells us vaguely how they work. It does not tell us anything about their sentience.

      The sentience, if there is, comes from the emergent reasoning that develops in the massive neural network to offer actual good predictions: the more you think, the better the predictions.

      For example, models trained to produce textual board games predictions can be sounded to show they developed subnetworks corresponding to an inner representation of the states of the game. Models trained to produce images have emergent subnetworks on depth-maps, contours and lighting.

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        20 days ago

        Are cells sentient? Bacteria, fungi, etc. Do you think they have any degree of interiority, like how simple animals do?

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          18 days ago

          Exactly. It’s not so cut and dry. Are they? You can never know until you experience their existence.

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            18 days ago

            Lol no. Actually cells are demonstrably NOT sentient. They have no capacity for choice. No capacity for emotion or experience. They are literally molecular machinery. And we(scientists) understand that machinery to a shocking degree.

            If you think cells have any degree of sentience, then you must make a similar argument for advanced clockwork machines. Not robots, pure wind-up clockwork automata.

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              18 days ago

              Ah, so you’ve experienced each of their existences? Fascinating.

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                  18 days ago

                  I can’t, since I’ve never been a wristwatch. Maybe they’re not, or maybe they are through a mechanism for which science has no current explanation. We can’t know, only surmise.

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                    17 days ago

                    Okay, then you’re not actually engaging in any degree of coherence. Your ignorance is not wisdom, despite what you seem to have convinced yourself.