• jubilationtcornpone@sh.itjust.works
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      I had an old colleague who was an engineer for Emerson Electric for most of his career. Emerson started as an electric motor manufacturer and eventually got into making just about EVERYTHING. I have a house from the 70’s that originally had fans, garbage disposals, heaters, light switches etc. All made by Emerson. Even different branded appliances using Emerson components.

      One time I asked my former colleague what Emerson still makes. He just smirked and said, “Money.” I knew what he meant. I work in manufacturing and as far as I can see, innovation is dead. Because the goal is no longer to design a solution to a problem and (hopefully) profit from it. The goal is to profit. Period. As quickly and cheaply as possible.

      So now, all the old people who knew how to design things are gone. And young people are not going into electronics or mechanical engineering because no one is hiring. And who really wants to spend their whole career having to answer to people who don’t care about building cool shit.

      Tech has a similar problem.

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        Lots of companies are still hiring engineers and can’t find enough of them, even in the US (and so many in the EU)

        Totally agree with the rest of the sentiment

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        This idiot has never heard of next quarter

        We need it so godamn bad, and by we I mean me. And by me, I mean go fuck yourself. The next time you’re on your way to work and you see those MASSIVE houses on your way, just one after the other, don’t pay any attention to the size of your ever-growing asshole.

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            It makes some sense, I was drunk but I just reread it and it’s pretty coherent.

            And absolutely not, but thank you for checking in.

            It’s half rich boy parody lore and half insight into how we’re getting fucked.

  • Séimhe (sé / é)@lemmy.world
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    The “backlash” is half hearted and also sensationalised a little in the media.

    People have not come together to meaningfully boycott these platforms. Boycott is the language these capitalists understand.

    I do not understand why people still use meta platforms, for example. We could level these companies quickly. The excuse that “everyone else I know is there” is wilful paralysis: waiting for someone else to go first. And that’s why these tech oligarchs are confident. They’re probably right to be.

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      For the most part, there’s nothing to boycott yet. Showing up to council meetings by the dozens, imploring them to say No to the data centers they’ve already been bribed to accept, is the same action, done preemptively. Boycotts come later, when the data centers are actually open.

      I’m aware that some are already operational, but they are a fraction of what these predators want to build.

      Right now, the move is to let them know that we don’t want this, and there will be consequences for supporting data centers. Then vote them out in the next election, and make it very vocal why.

      And in small towns and counties, where the council members also operate businesses, those businesses need to be boycotted. You don’t get to inflict existential damage on this town and it’s citizens, without feeling retribution for it. I hope your bribe was fat enough to sustain you after your business crashes, because that’s the choice you made.

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      I quit all Meta products 3 years ago. Apart from Marketplace every now and then, I don’t miss anything from their plarform, anything at all. I have also quit Google completely (even google play which I replaced with Aurora and F-Droid.). That has been OK as well (I moved most of my common apps to their web based equivalent). Every time i have a chance to mention it to folks around, without being the wise ass out there, I do it. People are just ignorant about the alternatives, this message comes across slowly, one chap at a time…

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      It’s because these products work. They actually provide value to the users, despite opponents’ insistence to the contrary.

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        Let’s say, for the sake of argument, that they do bring value. If all you need is a car, any car, would you buy a “used, in great condition, original owner selling” F-15 that comes with a subscription to use the flaps and work the landing gear?

        Your comment is complete and utter bullshit.

        Do the services work? Most of them do what is expected, yes. But to have them sqeezing me at every point, and looking as far up my ass as the camera will go to use something that works is just fucking moronic.

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        I mean, people like you insist on this, but I can’t evaluate the truthfulness of that claim since I haven’t used a Meta product since Facebook in like 2009 lol.

        But sure man, glad the mega company is really working out for you!

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        And here I’ve tried generative LLMs about once a year and every time I go “what the fuck are people smoking to think this is good”.

        I think everyone insisting all this stuff is providing value are legitimately idiots who haven’t spent even a half second thinking for themselves or about the future or the quality of their work.

        I wish I was more dumb and saw these products working like you insist and didn’t have to spend half my time rejecting AI slop PRs that genuinely don’t address anything.

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          The amount of effort it requires to create a useable work flow built around a genAI llm as the core instead of just a tool in the work flow is absurd.

          It basically takes three times the effort to get good results out of it when compared to doing it the old fashion way.

          And both require you to still actually understand art to actually produce good results. You can’t just tell an ai to shit out a picture and have it be good. No more then you can tell an artist to just shit out a picture and have it be good.

          Both require you to actually put effort in, go though the process and make mistakes fix them. Go back and forth and test ideas.

          And that’s the fundamental problem. GenAI is only good enough to at best do the equivalent of a rushed first draft with flat colors. It’s “good enough” not actually good.

          And the sort of people using genai arnt the sort of people who are going to go back and edit or clean up the picture. To test and try different things. Hell they aren’t even going to be the sort that custom tunes their model to actually produce what they want.

          They just take what ever generic shit model they can find and run with it.

          The difference between a generic model and custom trained one is night and day after all. But again the fucking idiots using gen AI ain’t gonna bother to do that let alone know how.

          Prompt jockeys are the least qualified people to use genAI. It’s comical.

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          That’s the worst fucking part. You can’t fix stupid, and they’ve just learned how to weaponize stupid.

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      It’s no coincidence that capitalism comes along with an emphasis on individualism and “expressing yourself” through consumption. It’s designed to train people out of collective thinking (class consciousness) and collective action, and it has been very effective.