Defund the police IS a crazy slogan, and I say this as someone who wants to defund the police. Public perception actually does matter and if your slogan is something the vast majority of people won’t understand and will likely find outright scary you’re going to struggle very very hard to accomplish the task the slogan is attached too. Marketing matters and “defund the police” is such a bad slogan it feels like sabotage honestly
The crazy part is that it’s utterly misunderstood as “abolish the police”. You see officers in military gear parading next to crumbling libraries and don’t think the funds should go somewhere else?
Lack of literacy is a problem. Defunding a militarized police force isn’t. But I guess the general public needs more handholding.
I get ya, but that’s an unpopular opinion to have in these spaces. The trouble is that “strip funding from police and redeploy it in ways that address economic uncertainty and other root causes of societal inequity” doesn’t roll off the tongue as well - so “defund the police” it is!
Yeah it’s crazy that it’s not Abolish the police completely. Fucking cowards why are you sucking up to these dems?? It’s like Hasan goin on his stream and glazing these lukewarm libs. I’m sick of it. Vote blue tho! Think of the opitcsssssss omggggg
So keeping the same police that murder and arrest black people and fucking children way more often than any other race should just be reformed a little? The same exact officers fighting tooth and nail not only to protect this violent apparatus but to expand upon it? And I’m afraid of change? My friend, that is not change. And I do not want to be angry, I am. I am mad at the racist institutions and the complacency in it.
What slogan would you like instead? I think “Defund the police” is probably the most succinct and truthful slogan you could come up with. No matter what political goal you have, summing it up in 3 or so words is never going to give the full picture.
Yes, I agree that communicating clearly is important. But there’s only so much you can do realistically.
Cowardice. They will not restructure unless forced. Reform is simply not enough, they are killing us. “Force the police to restructure” is too long. Abolish Police. Defund will suffice for now
People like you are all the right has to point to to sway moderate people who would otherwise be open to solving the problem to continue to ignore it. Messaging matters.
I’m not trying to sway moderates at least not online. That’s just silly and you know it. If you mean talking to people in your day to day life and organizing I’d argue the people I talk to about politics are very much police abolition over restructuring. You wouldn’t restructure ICE, SS. You restructure the housing market , Amazon and farms to feed people. You abolish ice, SS, military.
Defund the police IS a crazy slogan, and I say this as someone who wants to defund the police. Public perception actually does matter and if your slogan is something the vast majority of people won’t understand and will likely find outright scary you’re going to struggle very very hard to accomplish the task the slogan is attached too. Marketing matters and “defund the police” is such a bad slogan it feels like sabotage honestly
The crazy part is that it’s utterly misunderstood as “abolish the police”. You see officers in military gear parading next to crumbling libraries and don’t think the funds should go somewhere else?
Lack of literacy is a problem. Defunding a militarized police force isn’t. But I guess the general public needs more handholding.
I get ya, but that’s an unpopular opinion to have in these spaces. The trouble is that “strip funding from police and redeploy it in ways that address economic uncertainty and other root causes of societal inequity” doesn’t roll off the tongue as well - so “defund the police” it is!
Yeah it’s crazy that it’s not Abolish the police completely. Fucking cowards why are you sucking up to these dems?? It’s like Hasan goin on his stream and glazing these lukewarm libs. I’m sick of it. Vote blue tho! Think of the opitcsssssss omggggg
You don’t actually want anything to change, you just want to be angry.
So keeping the same police that murder and arrest black people and fucking children way more often than any other race should just be reformed a little? The same exact officers fighting tooth and nail not only to protect this violent apparatus but to expand upon it? And I’m afraid of change? My friend, that is not change. And I do not want to be angry, I am. I am mad at the racist institutions and the complacency in it.
Reform the police could accomplish the same goal, but is a more paletable message for the who barely care or don’t care.
Where has a palatable message gotten police reform now?
Well the last time it had a chance of major reform the message was defund the police and it blew up in our face.
What do you mean by “last time it blew up in our faces” ?
What slogan would you like instead? I think “Defund the police” is probably the most succinct and truthful slogan you could come up with. No matter what political goal you have, summing it up in 3 or so words is never going to give the full picture.
Yes, I agree that communicating clearly is important. But there’s only so much you can do realistically.
what about “restructure the police”or “reform the police”?
Cowardice. They will not restructure unless forced. Reform is simply not enough, they are killing us. “Force the police to restructure” is too long. Abolish Police. Defund will suffice for now
People like you are all the right has to point to to sway moderate people who would otherwise be open to solving the problem to continue to ignore it. Messaging matters.
I’m not trying to sway moderates at least not online. That’s just silly and you know it. If you mean talking to people in your day to day life and organizing I’d argue the people I talk to about politics are very much police abolition over restructuring. You wouldn’t restructure ICE, SS. You restructure the housing market , Amazon and farms to feed people. You abolish ice, SS, military.