Correct. Bodybuilding is a presentation sport with a variety of rulesets and judging criteria. Resistance training is a form of exercise with many proven physical and mental benefits
Most athletic people I’ve seen (especially runners) often look like they have no muscle
Usain Bolt was phenomenally muscular when he was competing, as are most sprinters. Many recognized Olympic sports reward larger physiques
Biceps have nothing to do with longevity.
You have my permission to skip direct bicep training.
Just make sure, assuming you want the full spectrum of proven benefits, that you hit your pulls (such as rows and pull ups, or appropriately scaled variations). This will heavily involve your biceps just so you know, but the main focus is the back.
In fact, extra weight is extra load on heart.
Dangerous medical misinformation, you should delete this. Resistance training has proven cardiac benefits. There is zero risk of acquiring “too much” muscle mass
There is no way those guys walking around at 6’1 300 lbs and sub 20% body fat are not taxing their hearts more than a similar height person of normal weight/bf%.
It should go without saying that illegal drug abuse causes countless extreme health issues
You may be surprised to learn that non-drug abusing bodybuilders usually max out around the 150-170lb mark on stage. There are very hard limits to how much muscle your body will let you build
You may be surprised to learn that non-drug abusing bodybuilders usually max out around the 150-170lb mark on stage
That’s really weird because most bodybuilders I know don’t really go below 75-80kg. Yes, I know many as I used to go to the gym, studied as mechanic and I’m from a small city that’s focused on gyms and outdoor fitness areas.
I myself weight 78. Most of my muscle is lower torso since I’ve been cycling and mountainclimbing much of my life.
I’m stating that being grossly overweight with a normal to low bf% is still bad for one’s heart. ~20% is the high end of lean for adult men and the prefix “sub” means under or lower.
It kinda is if you’re a woman. Of course there’s not very much overlap between women and 6’1" 300 lb guys.
But yeah, the problem there is the abuse of steroids and growth hormones required to get such a body. That will fuck your body up in various ways you might not even notice at first.
There is zero risk of acquiring “too much” muscle mass
This is dangerous medical misinformation. Reduced mobility, joint stress, cardiovascular strain, heat intolerance (quite important lately), compartment syndrome, rhabdomyolysis risk, etc. You can most absolutely ruin your health by having too much muscle mass. Last I checked, in statistics bodybuilders have quite terrible longevity as opposed to resistance training folks (which basically shoots in the opposite direction of longevity).
As someone mentioned, any such study is poisoned with the fact that many bodybuilders reach for steroids, but in any case when you look at data of bodybuilding versus resistance building, you gotta raise an eyebrow.
Don’t bodybuilders typically shoot for dangerously low body fat %? Like, all these symptoms sound like what you’d expect from someone on steroids who’s only not extremely underweight because they have a lot of muscle.
Perhaps once you understand why you are wrong, and you realize how much your error has the potential to harm people, you will apologize.
This study is definitionally unrelated to any form of resistance training, or the additional total body mass that you can acquire via resistance training.
It is an observational study on the outcomes of IFBB contestants. For anyone who doesn’t know, the IFBB is the primary bodybuilding federation for drug abusers. They run the “Mr. Olympia” contest which you may have heard of.
The drug abuse they glorify directly results in many extreme health issues including sudden cardiac death, in exchange for levels of muscle gain that far exceed what is possible for any natural athlete.
I want to be clear. What they are doing is extreme, illegal, dangerous, and critically, not related to resistance training in any meaningful way. The body will not allow you to become so muscular that it harms you, which is why these extreme athletes need illegal drugs to become so large in the first place.
It is shockingly irresponsible and ethically wrong for you to withhold this necessary context, and to so severely contort this paper into your unrelated false conclusion
This study is definitionally unrelated to any form of resistance training, or the additional total body mass that you can acquire via resistance training.
Why would me pointing to a study that shows worse health for just body building (as opposed to resistance training) show data about resistance training? The study is about pure body building that focuses on muscles like biceps, just like the meme above, the thread I’m commenting on.
The discussion is essentially “Cardio vs Weights”. I’m pro-cardio. You are not going to convince me of the opposite. I truly believe in longevity of resistance training as opposed to body building (focused on simply muscle growth), or whatever is your/everyone’s goal here.
I see, so in the end, you have decided to persist in falsehood. I hope you know that through humility, it is still possible for you to be redeemed from this shame.
Beyond that, the actual content in your latest comment here is ludicrous beyond credulity. You continue to literally lie about the contents of the study. You assert imagined facts about bodybuilding as a whole that nobody else ascribes to. You propose a ridiculous false dichotomy between aerobic and anaerobic exercise.
It is my hope that everyone will be able to easily see through what you are doing. Here is some accessible educational material for those who may possibly be confused by your continued repetition of dangerous and misleading information:
Strength training, also known as weight training or resistance training, is exercise designed to improve physical strength. It may involve lifting weights, bodyweight exercises (such as push-ups, pull-ups, and squats), isometrics (holding a position under tension, such as planks), and plyometrics (explosive movements like jump squats and box jumps).
The effects of strength training include greater muscular strength, improved muscle tone and appearance, increased endurance, cardiovascular health, and enhanced bone density. These benefits contribute not only to athletic performance but also to long-term health and independence, especially as individuals age.
Regular resistance training supports metabolic function, helps regulate body weight, and can improve mental well-being through the release of endorphins.
Strength training also provides functional benefits. Stronger muscles improve posture, provide better support for joints, and reduce the risk of injury from everyday activities.
Engaging in strength training has been linked to a 10-17% reduction in the risk of death from all causes, cardiovascular disease, cancer, diabetes, and lung cancer. Two of its primary effects-muscle growth (hypertrophy) and increased muscular strength-are both associated with improved longevity and lower mortality rates.
Can you please stop being obtuse on purpose? I feel like you clearly know what I’m talking about (longevity effects of resistance training vs focused muscle building with little to no cardio), yet purposefully (or accidentally?) decide to constantly misinterpret me and turn this into a ridiculous argument, because it’s really weird that I pretty much agreed with everything you say, yet you disagree with me like I’m talking something entirely else. Even your examples of bodybuilding is not really the bodybuilding I was talking about as that is closer to resistance training.
You simply cannot deny a fact that pure resistance training is better than simply building my arm biceps, that is very anti-scientific but you constantly nitpick at definitions and wording instead of the idea I’m discussing, probably to appear smarter.
Correct. Bodybuilding is a presentation sport with a variety of rulesets and judging criteria. Resistance training is a form of exercise with many proven physical and mental benefits
Usain Bolt was phenomenally muscular when he was competing, as are most sprinters. Many recognized Olympic sports reward larger physiques
You have my permission to skip direct bicep training.
Just make sure, assuming you want the full spectrum of proven benefits, that you hit your pulls (such as rows and pull ups, or appropriately scaled variations). This will heavily involve your biceps just so you know, but the main focus is the back.
Dangerous medical misinformation, you should delete this. Resistance training has proven cardiac benefits. There is zero risk of acquiring “too much” muscle mass
There is no way those guys walking around at 6’1 300 lbs and sub 20% body fat are not taxing their hearts more than a similar height person of normal weight/bf%.
It should go without saying that illegal drug abuse causes countless extreme health issues
You may be surprised to learn that non-drug abusing bodybuilders usually max out around the 150-170lb mark on stage. There are very hard limits to how much muscle your body will let you build
That’s really weird because most bodybuilders I know don’t really go below 75-80kg. Yes, I know many as I used to go to the gym, studied as mechanic and I’m from a small city that’s focused on gyms and outdoor fitness areas.
I myself weight 78. Most of my muscle is lower torso since I’ve been cycling and mountainclimbing much of my life.
Are you implying 20% body fat is low?
I’m stating that being grossly overweight with a normal to low bf% is still bad for one’s heart. ~20% is the high end of lean for adult men and the prefix “sub” means under or lower.
It kinda is if you’re a woman. Of course there’s not very much overlap between women and 6’1" 300 lb guys.
But yeah, the problem there is the abuse of steroids and growth hormones required to get such a body. That will fuck your body up in various ways you might not even notice at first.
This is dangerous medical misinformation. Reduced mobility, joint stress, cardiovascular strain, heat intolerance (quite important lately), compartment syndrome, rhabdomyolysis risk, etc. You can most absolutely ruin your health by having too much muscle mass. Last I checked, in statistics bodybuilders have quite terrible longevity as opposed to resistance training folks (which basically shoots in the opposite direction of longevity).
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/40393525/
EDIT: Non IFBB study: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9885939/
As someone mentioned, any such study is poisoned with the fact that many bodybuilders reach for steroids, but in any case when you look at data of bodybuilding versus resistance building, you gotta raise an eyebrow.
Don’t bodybuilders typically shoot for dangerously low body fat %? Like, all these symptoms sound like what you’d expect from someone on steroids who’s only not extremely underweight because they have a lot of muscle.
Yes. That’s been essentially my point. Don’t do that.
Perhaps once you understand why you are wrong, and you realize how much your error has the potential to harm people, you will apologize.
This study is definitionally unrelated to any form of resistance training, or the additional total body mass that you can acquire via resistance training.
It is an observational study on the outcomes of IFBB contestants. For anyone who doesn’t know, the IFBB is the primary bodybuilding federation for drug abusers. They run the “Mr. Olympia” contest which you may have heard of.
The drug abuse they glorify directly results in many extreme health issues including sudden cardiac death, in exchange for levels of muscle gain that far exceed what is possible for any natural athlete.
I want to be clear. What they are doing is extreme, illegal, dangerous, and critically, not related to resistance training in any meaningful way. The body will not allow you to become so muscular that it harms you, which is why these extreme athletes need illegal drugs to become so large in the first place.
It is shockingly irresponsible and ethically wrong for you to withhold this necessary context, and to so severely contort this paper into your unrelated false conclusion
Why would me pointing to a study that shows worse health for just body building (as opposed to resistance training) show data about resistance training? The study is about pure body building that focuses on muscles like biceps, just like the meme above, the thread I’m commenting on.
The discussion is essentially “Cardio vs Weights”. I’m pro-cardio. You are not going to convince me of the opposite. I truly believe in longevity of resistance training as opposed to body building (focused on simply muscle growth), or whatever is your/everyone’s goal here.
It isnt. It is sensible people talking about training vs you being weirdly combative
I think you should re-visit my very first comment.
I see, so in the end, you have decided to persist in falsehood. I hope you know that through humility, it is still possible for you to be redeemed from this shame.
Beyond that, the actual content in your latest comment here is ludicrous beyond credulity. You continue to literally lie about the contents of the study. You assert imagined facts about bodybuilding as a whole that nobody else ascribes to. You propose a ridiculous false dichotomy between aerobic and anaerobic exercise.
It is my hope that everyone will be able to easily see through what you are doing. Here is some accessible educational material for those who may possibly be confused by your continued repetition of dangerous and misleading information:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strength_training
Some highlights, emphasis mine:
Can you please stop being obtuse on purpose? I feel like you clearly know what I’m talking about (longevity effects of resistance training vs focused muscle building with little to no cardio), yet purposefully (or accidentally?) decide to constantly misinterpret me and turn this into a ridiculous argument, because it’s really weird that I pretty much agreed with everything you say, yet you disagree with me like I’m talking something entirely else. Even your examples of bodybuilding is not really the bodybuilding I was talking about as that is closer to resistance training.
You simply cannot deny a fact that pure resistance training is better than simply building my arm biceps, that is very anti-scientific but you constantly nitpick at definitions and wording instead of the idea I’m discussing, probably to appear smarter.
Muscle building is a primary effect of resistance training. Bolded that for you above.
You are not being misinterpreted. You are wrong.
And yet focusing on arm biceps is hardly resistance building
Who is this biceps only person you are obsessed with?