Don’t forget she lied that her family is 8th generation Israeli and that she’s indigenous to the land. Outrageous lie to state especially since it’s public that all her grandparents are foreign from Palestine also.
I think by “foreign from Palestine” they mean that her grandparents were not from the land of Palestine (sometimes improperly referred to, in part, as “Pissrael”)
I compare it to nazi Germany. I don’t really condemn Germans who served in the armed forces rather than be punished for draft evasion. There were soldiers who just fought as they were told to and without doing anything clearly immoral or illegal - not all we’re out there murdering Jews or civilians, or executing prisoners, or whatever. Same with Israelis. It takes a lot of courage to go to prison by active choice, and I don’t think it’s reasonable to condemn people for not having that courage unless the alternative was themselves taking part in war crimes.
While I’d say conscripts are easier to forgive than volunteer forces, they are still culpable. They offsetting the suffering they’d endure in prison onto other people, with which their respective fascistic armed forces are targeting. I’m more understanding of their position but they are still guilty.
Also, while the individual soldier may have themselves not conducted any crimes, by serving in a fascist military, you are still aiding them in committing crimes. By providing gains for that military through your service, it gives the force more opportunity and power to commit atrocities.
This is so beside the point but I was thinking about how conscription in the US wouldn’t work. A huge majority of people would either be unfit or just say no and there would be so many young people in jail the economy would grind to a halt. I love that for us
She’s not terrible she’s just a random actress with charm and beauty. The people who are always yelping about palestine will convince you she’s a war criminal. Like her if you want or don’t
Yeah honestly. Their population is literally growing, if it’s a genocide they’re doing a shit job lol. But honestly we could throw sources at each other back and forth and it wouldn’t mean anything because nothing can disabuse you of this notion.
This demographic is not normal. The amount of children is staggering.
Also, genocide does not mean complete eradication. I assume you agree that the nazis committed a genocide when they killed millions of jews? They did not eradicate them.
I thought the claim of a growing population sounded implausible, so I wanted to dig a bit into it.
The growth argument seems to originally stem from future estimates from CIA World Factbook. Now no longer available. The claim of 2,02% was the basis of a social media post that went viral, and has been debunked a couple of places I found
It seems hard to find actual numbers or current estimates made by reliable sources for any given year, which is not surprising when:
1.47 million of about 2.17 million Gazans are registered as refugees (2024).
West Bank is 3.19 million with 0.91 million registered refugees (2024)
70% of Gaza is under Israeli occupation
Vast areas, hospitals, schools, infrastructure etc. are destroyed
I find it hard to believe that the population has grown. 1% of the Palestinian population is about 55 000. The usual growth is 2-3% IIRC. So about 110 000 yearly. Which can very roughly translate to 220-300 000 over 2 or 330-400 000 over 3 years.
The direct death toll is at least 81 000. Directly wounded more than 170 000. Indirect deaths is something else entirely. Estimated to many times the direct death toll. Under rubble, famine, disease etc.
If death toll is higher than normal population increase for the period. That means one of the following:
Palestinians got more or the same amount of offspring. Is that likely when half the population is living as refugees?
The population declined.
I want to add something at the end, famines are a lot more destructive than one might assume. It does generational harm due to epigenetics.
I don’t have more time to spend on this unfortunately, it is mentally taxing, and I don’t have the energy to do this justice and research it properly. So please excuse any inaccuracies.
Why is she terrible? I could Google, but make it well known?
Blind support of Israel, served in the IDF.
I’m sure there’s more, but I never liked any movie she was in so never bothered to learn more.
Don’t forget she lied that her family is 8th generation Israeli and that she’s indigenous to the land. Outrageous lie to state especially since it’s public that all her grandparents are foreign from Palestine also.
“Foreign” it’s all Palestine
I think by “foreign from Palestine” they mean that her grandparents were not from the land of Palestine (sometimes improperly referred to, in part, as “Pissrael”)
During the pandemic she noticed no one was paying attention to her so she sung imagine and made her ego everyone’s problem.
Which isn’t the worst thing she’s done, but it adds to her unlike-ability.
Not that this affects your conclusion, she was a conscript, like every Israeli.
she also praises/defend thier current atrocities.
Hence I said, “not that this affects your conclusion”
You can choose to sit in Jail instead, lots of Israeli youth do. you always have a choice not to join a genocidal army.
I compare it to nazi Germany. I don’t really condemn Germans who served in the armed forces rather than be punished for draft evasion. There were soldiers who just fought as they were told to and without doing anything clearly immoral or illegal - not all we’re out there murdering Jews or civilians, or executing prisoners, or whatever. Same with Israelis. It takes a lot of courage to go to prison by active choice, and I don’t think it’s reasonable to condemn people for not having that courage unless the alternative was themselves taking part in war crimes.
“Just following orders” does not hold up in court today nor did it hold up in the Nuremberg trials.
That is a quote about clearly illegal orders, which I specifically treated differently in my comment.
While I’d say conscripts are easier to forgive than volunteer forces, they are still culpable. They offsetting the suffering they’d endure in prison onto other people, with which their respective fascistic armed forces are targeting. I’m more understanding of their position but they are still guilty.
Also, while the individual soldier may have themselves not conducted any crimes, by serving in a fascist military, you are still aiding them in committing crimes. By providing gains for that military through your service, it gives the force more opportunity and power to commit atrocities.
This is so beside the point but I was thinking about how conscription in the US wouldn’t work. A huge majority of people would either be unfit or just say no and there would be so many young people in jail the economy would grind to a halt. I love that for us
Not every pissrahelli. There are some with a conscience. But yeah, most of them.
We’re not your secretaries so yeah google it.
Why even use forums if you’re just going to discourage user engagement?
some people ask questions they can google because they want to be part of the conversation and be social
if you dont want to answer the question, it wasn’t for you
She’s not terrible she’s just a random actress with charm and beauty. The people who are always yelping about palestine will convince you she’s a war criminal. Like her if you want or don’t
She is conventionally beautiful but she has the personality of a damp paper towel. She is not charming.
Fucking hell. You are painfully stupid.
Why what happened
Do you deny the genocide in Palestine?
Of course he does
Who is he
Yeah honestly. Their population is literally growing, if it’s a genocide they’re doing a shit job lol. But honestly we could throw sources at each other back and forth and it wouldn’t mean anything because nothing can disabuse you of this notion.
I hope you die an early and painful death like so many people you have ignored.
That’s a nasty thing to say. I hope you live and learn.
Yes, I’m very intentionally nasty to monsters who endorse the bombing of schools and hospitals.
If they harbor terrorists under the hospital I’m okay with bombing that shit and I think it’s funny
That never happened and was disproved almost as soon as that claim was made.
Dude, just admit you want to kill them and take their lands. You’ll feel better not holding it in.
This demographic is not normal. The amount of children is staggering.
Also, genocide does not mean complete eradication. I assume you agree that the nazis committed a genocide when they killed millions of jews? They did not eradicate them.
Idk what you’re showing me other than a shit ton of palestinians
Their demographics show an insane amount of children. 44% is between 0-14 years. This “war” is basically a mass murdering of children.
Yeah so it’s not a genocide cuz the pop is growing get your head out of your ass
I thought the claim of a growing population sounded implausible, so I wanted to dig a bit into it.
The growth argument seems to originally stem from future estimates from CIA World Factbook. Now no longer available. The claim of 2,02% was the basis of a social media post that went viral, and has been debunked a couple of places I found
It seems hard to find actual numbers or current estimates made by reliable sources for any given year, which is not surprising when:
1.47 million of about 2.17 million Gazans are registered as refugees (2024).
West Bank is 3.19 million with 0.91 million registered refugees (2024)
70% of Gaza is under Israeli occupation
Vast areas, hospitals, schools, infrastructure etc. are destroyed
I find it hard to believe that the population has grown. 1% of the Palestinian population is about 55 000. The usual growth is 2-3% IIRC. So about 110 000 yearly. Which can very roughly translate to 220-300 000 over 2 or 330-400 000 over 3 years.
The direct death toll is at least 81 000. Directly wounded more than 170 000. Indirect deaths is something else entirely. Estimated to many times the direct death toll. Under rubble, famine, disease etc.
If death toll is higher than normal population increase for the period. That means one of the following:
I want to add something at the end, famines are a lot more destructive than one might assume. It does generational harm due to epigenetics.
I don’t have more time to spend on this unfortunately, it is mentally taxing, and I don’t have the energy to do this justice and research it properly. So please excuse any inaccuracies.
Define genocide