Did you read the same page as I did? Because if you actually read the entire section about his departure, it not only mentions the fact that he had his first stroke right before the episode aired (after which he didn’t really do too much of ANY work at all until his death 2 years later from a second stroke) but also that the decision largely stemmed from his entourage, all ardent Scientologists; a group famous for coercing members into disconnecting from everyone outside of the Church upon joining as well as harassing the shit out of them if they ever get find the strength to leave. One of Hayes’ sons even came forth and said that in all the confusion, nobody really knows who made the decision for him to leave, but it was almost definitely someone from that group.
I mean this is a cult with a long and varied history of doing whatever it takes for good PR, even going so far as to have up to 5,000 individual members get jobs in various branches of the US (and Canadian) government throughout the whole of the 70s for the explicit purpose of covering up/erasing controversial material against Hubbard himself and the Church as a whole (just google Operation Snow White). If they can pull that off and somehow walk away with minimal consequences, I’m sure they could find someone to draft up a “Termination of Emploment” or something and convince/trick/coerce Hayes into signing it.
Looks like you are triggered and have some vested interest in me seeing it like you do. Trouble is I was around during the whole thing and it was clear hayes stayed out of the episode and his family could have came forward then but didn’t. You see truth in what I see ambiguity. Welcome to the world.
Oh my goodness, it’s my best friend in the whole wide thread! I have to apologize to you, I was just commenting on what I thought was someone else being ignorant but no, turns out you’re the source of both! How funny is that? Well, to save us both some time I’ll try to avoid bringing up the same points twice and then maybe throw in a link to the comment I just posted.
1-I’m only triggered in this case because you seem to be one of those people who believe in their own infalliblity above all else. Probably think your own shit smells like roses, etc etc. That attitude disgusts me and that’s all I really care to say about it
2-I see, so not only do you claim to know how the entire world works in your other comment, but also in this one you say you were “around during the whole thing” as if you were physically in the various rooms where this whole story took place. Huh, that’s a neat little detail and all… but how do you know I wasn’t there too? That I was also “around during the whole thing” to the exact same extent as you were?
3-Just because the family didn’t IMMEDIATELY come forward and present their view doesn’t automatically disqualify it. Revising history is actually a healthy part of the process, etc. See link below for a better argument as to why “they could have come forward then but didn’t” is not the strong closing argument you presumably think it is
Did you read the same page as I did? Because if you actually read the entire section about his departure, it not only mentions the fact that he had his first stroke right before the episode aired (after which he didn’t really do too much of ANY work at all until his death 2 years later from a second stroke) but also that the decision largely stemmed from his entourage, all ardent Scientologists; a group famous for coercing members into disconnecting from everyone outside of the Church upon joining as well as harassing the shit out of them if they ever get find the strength to leave. One of Hayes’ sons even came forth and said that in all the confusion, nobody really knows who made the decision for him to leave, but it was almost definitely someone from that group.
I mean this is a cult with a long and varied history of doing whatever it takes for good PR, even going so far as to have up to 5,000 individual members get jobs in various branches of the US (and Canadian) government throughout the whole of the 70s for the explicit purpose of covering up/erasing controversial material against Hubbard himself and the Church as a whole (just google Operation Snow White). If they can pull that off and somehow walk away with minimal consequences, I’m sure they could find someone to draft up a “Termination of Emploment” or something and convince/trick/coerce Hayes into signing it.
Looks like you are triggered and have some vested interest in me seeing it like you do. Trouble is I was around during the whole thing and it was clear hayes stayed out of the episode and his family could have came forward then but didn’t. You see truth in what I see ambiguity. Welcome to the world.
Oh my goodness, it’s my best friend in the whole wide thread! I have to apologize to you, I was just commenting on what I thought was someone else being ignorant but no, turns out you’re the source of both! How funny is that? Well, to save us both some time I’ll try to avoid bringing up the same points twice and then maybe throw in a link to the comment I just posted.
1-I’m only triggered in this case because you seem to be one of those people who believe in their own infalliblity above all else. Probably think your own shit smells like roses, etc etc. That attitude disgusts me and that’s all I really care to say about it
2-I see, so not only do you claim to know how the entire world works in your other comment, but also in this one you say you were “around during the whole thing” as if you were physically in the various rooms where this whole story took place. Huh, that’s a neat little detail and all… but how do you know I wasn’t there too? That I was also “around during the whole thing” to the exact same extent as you were?
3-Just because the family didn’t IMMEDIATELY come forward and present their view doesn’t automatically disqualify it. Revising history is actually a healthy part of the process, etc. See link below for a better argument as to why “they could have come forward then but didn’t” is not the strong closing argument you presumably think it is
4-https://lemmy.world/comment/24831324