I got absolutely shit on for saying that I didn’t support him due to my long standing policy of not supporting people who get Nazi tattoos. People falling over themselves to say he had grown a lot since getting it, or that he didn’t know what it meant when he got it (bullshit). People saying I was some Collins loving conservative just because I refused to support a man who got a Nazi tattoo on his chest.
I hope this is a lesson to the idiots who thought I was being unreasonable and unforgiving. It takes a special kind of asshole to knowingly get a Nazi tattoo. Those kinds of people don’t grow out of it. They don’t change. They might get shamed enough to cover it up, but they will remain an asshole. The only good that someone with a Nazi tattoo can do is to throw themselves in a wood chipper and become fertilizer.
The problem with your logic is that you are saying knowingly gets a Nazi tattoo, but you’re against anyone having a Nazi tattoo, knowingly or not. So, let me take a slight detour before I get to the point.
The problem I have with an absolutist statement like that is that there are plenty of reasons someone might have a Nazi tattoo, even knowingly, that wouldn’t make me immediately not support them. Now, given that statement, the circumstances are probably gonna be pretty stringent, but I don’t think it’s necessarily unforgivable or even disqualifying… BUT I think it mostly is, especially because you’re right that you can probably find someone that is just as good as whoever I could find that fits the bill, but does not and has not ever had a Nazi tattoo. So, like… I guess the point is simple.
You’re right. And I am wrong.
I think it’s worth noting that many of the people who supported him did not do so out of idiocy. They were taken advantage of, their willingness to forgive exploited. They knew all of these things and were wary of them, but chose to ignore them because they were lied to about the kind of person he was. They trusted him. And they were scammed.
It is easy to say in hindsight that this was easy to see. I was willing to forgive the tattoo at first and the military service at first (though, not the mercenary work, nor the reddit comments, and definitely not the fucking rape) because, well, in some ways I am kinda gullible, and in other ways, I kinda give a lot of leeway to certain privileged people (mostly rich white men) who make mistakes that ruin lives because they never considered the consequences of their actions because society allows them to do so with little to no repercussions, and that subconsciously affects my opinions.
For the record, I wasn’t a Platner supporter before this, but I understand how many of them got there. He said a lot of things that people desperately wanted to hear, and that is how people get scammed. They aren’t dumb, even if they did act like morons. They’re desperate. They’re hopeful for anything that can make their lives better. They’re even gullible to believe a man with a Nazi tattoo who was a Blackwater mercenary that assaulted many women was a good candidate, and responsible for perpetuated a culture that allows these horrible decisions to continue not being as bad as they should rightfully be. But, even though I understand why you think so, I still don’t think they’re stupid. And maybe that’s another thing on me.
If someone had a Nazi tattoo at any point in their life, I would never vote for them. To me, they will forever be a piece of shit. I don’t see how this is a difficult concept to grasp.
So you would be comfortable if the actual Nazi won by a single vote?
Like correct me if I’m wrong but you think a symbol of hate is so bad and that people cannot change that you would leave the community and let an actual Nazi win?
There is literally no situation where you would go, “I understand that this person at one point in there life made a mistake, but they have demonstrated that they have moved past that and at least they want to improve material conditions and they are not a literal Nazi”
Your response still lacks nuance, your not asking if they knew what the tattoo represented. Your drawing wide black&white judgments on, in this case, an entire demographic of largely dumb young men with an amarica-grade history education.
If they knew what it meant and to who, then you are correct, let society treat them as such.
Otherwise, you come off as having an inflexable mindset and dont believe people can make mistakes or change.
Please, feel free to give me examples of non-shitty people who got Nazi tattoos. There’s just not that many of them.
A Nazi tattoo is not something you accidentally get. Most artists will refuse to do them. You have to specifically seek out an artist who is willing to do one, and at that point, claiming ignorance on what you are getting is an excuse that would only work on idiots.
My philosophy is simple; Nazi tattoo = irredeemable fuckwit. I’m not going to be flexible when it comes to Nazi’s. It’s insane to me that someone would suggest otherwise.
Cool, if were going to set the standard. Then you should be able to recognize every symbol and what it represents between cultures, times and historical context.
The fact that you can’t identify them all is the point, and I dont expect you to, nor some dumb 20-something year old man with a public education and prospects to join the US millitary to do so either. No one is arguing against you, just pointing out that there is deeper context and a persons willingness to correct it in the future that should be weighed before the court of public opinion passes judgment.
It’s the Totenkopf. You know the skull on the hats of every Nazi portrayed in media for the last 50 years?
Come on man, this is a losing battle. It wasn’t some obscure symbol. He knew what he was getting, just as anyone who gets a Nazi tattoo knows what they are getting. What, are you going to try to claim that someone with two lighting bolts is just a big fan of lightning?
I got absolutely shit on for saying that I didn’t support him due to my long standing policy of not supporting people who get Nazi tattoos. People falling over themselves to say he had grown a lot since getting it, or that he didn’t know what it meant when he got it (bullshit). People saying I was some Collins loving conservative just because I refused to support a man who got a Nazi tattoo on his chest.
I hope this is a lesson to the idiots who thought I was being unreasonable and unforgiving. It takes a special kind of asshole to knowingly get a Nazi tattoo. Those kinds of people don’t grow out of it. They don’t change. They might get shamed enough to cover it up, but they will remain an asshole. The only good that someone with a Nazi tattoo can do is to throw themselves in a wood chipper and become fertilizer.
The problem with your logic is that you are saying knowingly gets a Nazi tattoo, but you’re against anyone having a Nazi tattoo, knowingly or not. So, let me take a slight detour before I get to the point.
The problem I have with an absolutist statement like that is that there are plenty of reasons someone might have a Nazi tattoo, even knowingly, that wouldn’t make me immediately not support them. Now, given that statement, the circumstances are probably gonna be pretty stringent, but I don’t think it’s necessarily unforgivable or even disqualifying… BUT I think it mostly is, especially because you’re right that you can probably find someone that is just as good as whoever I could find that fits the bill, but does not and has not ever had a Nazi tattoo. So, like… I guess the point is simple.
You’re right. And I am wrong.
I think it’s worth noting that many of the people who supported him did not do so out of idiocy. They were taken advantage of, their willingness to forgive exploited. They knew all of these things and were wary of them, but chose to ignore them because they were lied to about the kind of person he was. They trusted him. And they were scammed.
It is easy to say in hindsight that this was easy to see. I was willing to forgive the tattoo at first and the military service at first (though, not the mercenary work, nor the reddit comments, and definitely not the fucking rape) because, well, in some ways I am kinda gullible, and in other ways, I kinda give a lot of leeway to certain privileged people (mostly rich white men) who make mistakes that ruin lives because they never considered the consequences of their actions because society allows them to do so with little to no repercussions, and that subconsciously affects my opinions.
For the record, I wasn’t a Platner supporter before this, but I understand how many of them got there. He said a lot of things that people desperately wanted to hear, and that is how people get scammed. They aren’t dumb, even if they did act like morons. They’re desperate. They’re hopeful for anything that can make their lives better. They’re even gullible to believe a man with a Nazi tattoo who was a Blackwater mercenary that assaulted many women was a good candidate, and responsible for perpetuated a culture that allows these horrible decisions to continue not being as bad as they should rightfully be. But, even though I understand why you think so, I still don’t think they’re stupid. And maybe that’s another thing on me.
Platner aside, are you saying if someone had a controversial tattoo at any point in their life, then you would never vote for them?
A Nazi tattoo? Yes. I am saying that.
If someone had a Nazi tattoo at any point in their life, I would never vote for them. To me, they will forever be a piece of shit. I don’t see how this is a difficult concept to grasp.
I’m actually just genuinely curious. Not trying to attack or defend anyone here.
To me if it was between an actual Nazi and someone with a Nazi tattoo but progressive politics, then I would vote against the actual Nazi.
Are you saying that you wouldn’t vote in that case?
Like, the two candidates are a literal, not-even-hiding-it, Nazi vs. a person with a Nazi tattoo?
If there is a situation where those are the only candidates, I would take it as a sign to move out of my city, state, or country.
So you would be comfortable if the actual Nazi won by a single vote?
Like correct me if I’m wrong but you think a symbol of hate is so bad and that people cannot change that you would leave the community and let an actual Nazi win?
There is literally no situation where you would go, “I understand that this person at one point in there life made a mistake, but they have demonstrated that they have moved past that and at least they want to improve material conditions and they are not a literal Nazi”
Your response still lacks nuance, your not asking if they knew what the tattoo represented. Your drawing wide black&white judgments on, in this case, an entire demographic of largely dumb young men with an amarica-grade history education.
If they knew what it meant and to who, then you are correct, let society treat them as such.
Otherwise, you come off as having an inflexable mindset and dont believe people can make mistakes or change.
Please, feel free to give me examples of non-shitty people who got Nazi tattoos. There’s just not that many of them.
A Nazi tattoo is not something you accidentally get. Most artists will refuse to do them. You have to specifically seek out an artist who is willing to do one, and at that point, claiming ignorance on what you are getting is an excuse that would only work on idiots.
My philosophy is simple; Nazi tattoo = irredeemable fuckwit. I’m not going to be flexible when it comes to Nazi’s. It’s insane to me that someone would suggest otherwise.
Cool, if were going to set the standard. Then you should be able to recognize every symbol and what it represents between cultures, times and historical context.
The fact that you can’t identify them all is the point, and I dont expect you to, nor some dumb 20-something year old man with a public education and prospects to join the US millitary to do so either. No one is arguing against you, just pointing out that there is deeper context and a persons willingness to correct it in the future that should be weighed before the court of public opinion passes judgment.
It’s the Totenkopf. You know the skull on the hats of every Nazi portrayed in media for the last 50 years?
Come on man, this is a losing battle. It wasn’t some obscure symbol. He knew what he was getting, just as anyone who gets a Nazi tattoo knows what they are getting. What, are you going to try to claim that someone with two lighting bolts is just a big fan of lightning?