The conditions and the treatment of workers is inhumane. You would have to be very isolated or ignorant to not be aware.
The Family of Xi Jinping (General Secretary): Independent journalistic investigations and unclassified intelligence reports document that Xi’s immediate family (siblings, nieces, and nephews) amassed business investments, real estate, and financial holdings valued at over $1 billion. While Xi reportedly urged relatives to divest from some holdings upon taking power in 2012, intelligence audits confirm that his family continues to hold millions in indirect investments
The Family of Wen Jiabao (Former Premier): A landmark forensic investigation revealed that the former Premier’s mother, wife, son, and siblings controlled corporate assets and hidden investment vehicles worth at least $2.7 billion.
The Broader Politburo Elite: Systemic wealth tracking indicates that high-ranking party families routinely leverage political clout to secure lucrative stakes in state-dominated sectors, including real estate, heavy infrastructure, finance, and telecommunications
The intersection of wealth and political influence is highly visible in China’s two legislative and advisory bodies: the National People’s Congress (NPC) and the Chinese People’s Political Consultative Conference (CPPCC)
The annual meetings of these bodies are regularly dubbed the “world’s wealthiest parliament”. Data compiled by the Hurun Research Institute shows that dozens of China’s absolute wealthiest billionaires serve concurrently as delegates or political advisers within these state institutions, providing them direct input on economic policy. Research indicates that acquiring an NPC or CPPCC seat serves as a massive accelerator for private sector tycoons looking to protect and boost their initial wealth accumulation.
Top officials technically hold nothing in their own names. Instead, wealth is channeled through a complex system of “white gloves”—trusted business proxies, corporate lawyers, and extended family members who manage multi-million dollar corporate shares and offshore shells
Elites leverage political connections to obtain below-market loans from state banks, exclusive permits for state-backed strategic industries, and lucrative municipal land-use rights.
Data shows that a household with at least one CCP member is, on average, 21% to 24% wealthier than a non-party household, heavily driven by early access to privatized prime real estate.
Are you sure it is the working class who controls the state? Maybe in China the working class are millionaires and billionaires?
I’m aware of the brutality of “artisinal mining,” I suggest you reread my comment. I edited it with supporting evidence showing that “artisinal mining” has been falling dramatically as China has gotten involved in developing the DRC’s extraction industries, falling to less than 10% from staggering heights of over 50%.
Further, I suspect you just had an LLM spit out “evidence of corruption in the CPC” or other such line. That wouldn’t make it inherently wrong, but there’s no link to any evidence supporting your statements, and further, class is not the same as income or wealth. The CPC is highly meritocratic, which does result in CPC members having better educational backgrounds, which does have connection to wealth. However, the difference being a measly 25% at most is staggeringly low compared to bourgeois parties that deliberately empower capitalists.
The vast majority of the population supports their government, actually, because they are treated very well. Over 90% of the population supports the CPC. NIRA data’s latest polling found China to be one of the more comprehensively democratic countries in the world as seen by its own population:
The PRC is a socialist state, not a state capitalist state like the Republic of Korea, US Empire, or Singapore. China being socialist has nothing to do with the name of the party in control, and everything to do with the mode of production and distribution in China. Rather than a neoliberal paradise, it’s closer to a nightmare for neoliberals. This editorial from The Guardian explains it quite well, actually:
But Xi’s support for mixing private and public ownership structures was purely pragmatic. It had value, he said in another forum, because it would “improve the socialist market economic structure.” Xi’s assessment is echoed by Michael Collins, one of the CIA’s most senior officials for Asia. “The fundamental end of the Communist party of China under Xi Jinping is all the more to control that society politically and economically,” Collins argued earlier this year. “The economy is being viewed, affected and controlled to achieve a political end.”
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The party’s overarching aim, though, has remained consistent: to ensure that the private sector, and individual entrepreneurs, do not become rival players in the political system. The party wants economic growth, but not at the expense of tolerating any organised alternative centres of power.
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“[Capitalists] act as if they are being chased by a bear,” wrote Zhang Lin, a Beijing political commentator, in response to these comments. “They are powerless to control the bear, so they are competing to outrun each other to escape the animal.”
Class is a relation to ownership of the means of production, not a total level of wealth. Allegations of corruption and negligence from the west are common, cheap, and hypocritical. The NPC has a handful of capitalists, and instead is dominated by the working classes, as is the CPC itself.
care to share these “Independent journalistic investigations and unclassified intelligence reports”?
I’m curious as to how we can view unclassified reports. I ain’t never been to college either so idk how legit it is to base your view on one of the oldest countries political system on “unclassified documents”
ALSO no matter how much of the truth is presented to you in provable information, you are pretty much accurately describing how the US and the west function. With China it’s all like “behind the scenes” or whatever so you can just say anything. With the US it’s literally out in the open and you can prove it.
I think we’re both without links, aren’t we. Now from my understanding we were speaking about China and not the US or anyone else. You are correct though that getting accurate information about what is happening in China is not easy.
Now I can post links but then you will tell me any information I bring is corrupt or propaganda so we can skip the effort I would put in that will be wasted anyways.
Scrutinizing evidence is important. The fact you refuse to provide any because it will be scrutinized is ridiculous. (Although unfortunately not that surprising seeing as you’re a zenzite)
I never said I refuse. I am currently in transport. It’s not conducive to a proper response, just short messages such as this. Also I never said that scrutinizing wasn’t important. I’m not sure your response has much to do with what I said in my previous message.
Now I can post links but then you will tell me any information I bring is corrupt or propaganda so we can skip the effort I would put in that will be wasted anyways.
This is what you said. You won’t bother posting any evidence because it will be scrutinized. Why bother lying when it’s so easily fact checkable?
Actually Cowbee provided a ton of sources for all their claims. You don’t know, but you’re dealing with one of the most well-read people on this instance. They bring RECEIPTS
Jokes aside, you’re purposely ignoring evidence presented to you.
Or you could be a troll or a fed as well. Idc either way. I’ve long maintained we should just stop having conversations about China with Westerners. They’re just salty that they’re no longer free to exploit the world.
Actually Cowbee provided a ton of sources for all their claims. You don’t know, but you’re dealing with one of the most well-read people on this instance. They bring RECEIPTS
Well well but Cowbee can’t counter the exodia of arguments, the card “China is bad” has no counter, not even cowbee can win against that.
I don’t believe the whole nation is bad, but I would prefer them to leave at least east Africa alone. I still hope people in their country are well as I wish people in all lands are well.
… you realize you don’t have to respond yet then, right? If you’re not ready why bother wasting time telling me 😂 respond to the other guy I’m too tired for you
You don’t know?
The conditions and the treatment of workers is inhumane. You would have to be very isolated or ignorant to not be aware.
The Family of Xi Jinping (General Secretary): Independent journalistic investigations and unclassified intelligence reports document that Xi’s immediate family (siblings, nieces, and nephews) amassed business investments, real estate, and financial holdings valued at over $1 billion. While Xi reportedly urged relatives to divest from some holdings upon taking power in 2012, intelligence audits confirm that his family continues to hold millions in indirect investments
The Family of Wen Jiabao (Former Premier): A landmark forensic investigation revealed that the former Premier’s mother, wife, son, and siblings controlled corporate assets and hidden investment vehicles worth at least $2.7 billion.
The Broader Politburo Elite: Systemic wealth tracking indicates that high-ranking party families routinely leverage political clout to secure lucrative stakes in state-dominated sectors, including real estate, heavy infrastructure, finance, and telecommunications
The intersection of wealth and political influence is highly visible in China’s two legislative and advisory bodies: the National People’s Congress (NPC) and the Chinese People’s Political Consultative Conference (CPPCC)
The annual meetings of these bodies are regularly dubbed the “world’s wealthiest parliament”. Data compiled by the Hurun Research Institute shows that dozens of China’s absolute wealthiest billionaires serve concurrently as delegates or political advisers within these state institutions, providing them direct input on economic policy. Research indicates that acquiring an NPC or CPPCC seat serves as a massive accelerator for private sector tycoons looking to protect and boost their initial wealth accumulation.
Top officials technically hold nothing in their own names. Instead, wealth is channeled through a complex system of “white gloves”—trusted business proxies, corporate lawyers, and extended family members who manage multi-million dollar corporate shares and offshore shells
Elites leverage political connections to obtain below-market loans from state banks, exclusive permits for state-backed strategic industries, and lucrative municipal land-use rights.
Data shows that a household with at least one CCP member is, on average, 21% to 24% wealthier than a non-party household, heavily driven by early access to privatized prime real estate.
Are you sure it is the working class who controls the state? Maybe in China the working class are millionaires and billionaires?
I’m aware of the brutality of “artisinal mining,” I suggest you reread my comment. I edited it with supporting evidence showing that “artisinal mining” has been falling dramatically as China has gotten involved in developing the DRC’s extraction industries, falling to less than 10% from staggering heights of over 50%.
Further, I suspect you just had an LLM spit out “evidence of corruption in the CPC” or other such line. That wouldn’t make it inherently wrong, but there’s no link to any evidence supporting your statements, and further, class is not the same as income or wealth. The CPC is highly meritocratic, which does result in CPC members having better educational backgrounds, which does have connection to wealth. However, the difference being a measly 25% at most is staggeringly low compared to bourgeois parties that deliberately empower capitalists.
The vast majority of the population supports their government, actually, because they are treated very well. Over 90% of the population supports the CPC. NIRA data’s latest polling found China to be one of the more comprehensively democratic countries in the world as seen by its own population:
The PRC is a socialist state, not a state capitalist state like the Republic of Korea, US Empire, or Singapore. China being socialist has nothing to do with the name of the party in control, and everything to do with the mode of production and distribution in China. Rather than a neoliberal paradise, it’s closer to a nightmare for neoliberals. This editorial from The Guardian explains it quite well, actually:
Class is a relation to ownership of the means of production, not a total level of wealth. Allegations of corruption and negligence from the west are common, cheap, and hypocritical. The NPC has a handful of capitalists, and instead is dominated by the working classes, as is the CPC itself.
care to share these “Independent journalistic investigations and unclassified intelligence reports”?
I’m curious as to how we can view unclassified reports. I ain’t never been to college either so idk how legit it is to base your view on one of the oldest countries political system on “unclassified documents”
ALSO no matter how much of the truth is presented to you in provable information, you are pretty much accurately describing how the US and the west function. With China it’s all like “behind the scenes” or whatever so you can just say anything. With the US it’s literally out in the open and you can prove it.
I think we’re both without links, aren’t we. Now from my understanding we were speaking about China and not the US or anyone else. You are correct though that getting accurate information about what is happening in China is not easy.
Now I can post links but then you will tell me any information I bring is corrupt or propaganda so we can skip the effort I would put in that will be wasted anyways.
Interesting position to take.
Either that or one sentence gets picked out of the response and the whole rest of the response gets ignored. It becomes somewhat pointless.
Scrutinizing evidence is important. The fact you refuse to provide any because it will be scrutinized is ridiculous. (Although unfortunately not that surprising seeing as you’re a zenzite)
I never said I refuse. I am currently in transport. It’s not conducive to a proper response, just short messages such as this. Also I never said that scrutinizing wasn’t important. I’m not sure your response has much to do with what I said in my previous message.
This is what you said. You won’t bother posting any evidence because it will be scrutinized. Why bother lying when it’s so easily fact checkable?
I will go through their response and check their links and if it’s a good faith discussion then I will likely continue.
Actually Cowbee provided a ton of sources for all their claims. You don’t know, but you’re dealing with one of the most well-read people on this instance. They bring RECEIPTS
Jokes aside, you’re purposely ignoring evidence presented to you.
Or you could be a troll or a fed as well. Idc either way. I’ve long maintained we should just stop having conversations about China with Westerners. They’re just salty that they’re no longer free to exploit the world.
Well well but Cowbee can’t counter the exodia of arguments, the card “China is bad” has no counter, not even cowbee can win against that.
I don’t believe the whole nation is bad, but I would prefer them to leave at least east Africa alone. I still hope people in their country are well as I wish people in all lands are well.
I’ll be back soon. I’m moving around now… it’s not conducive to a proper response.
No, the person debunking you has links. You don’t. Are you gonna call those propaganda?
I’ll be back soon. I’m moving around now… it’s not conducive to a proper response.
… you realize you don’t have to respond yet then, right? If you’re not ready why bother wasting time telling me 😂 respond to the other guy I’m too tired for you
You asked a question, I answered your question, I apologize I guess.