Everyone here sucks, or whatever the term is in the “Am I the asshole?” threads when everyone is in the wrong.
Apple knows what the EU regulations are and as a company that wants to do business in the bloc, they have to abide by their rules. Also, China and the Middle East are stricter and Apple happily kowtows to them. And of course Apple bends over for the US regime as well. So what’s different about doing it for the EU?
On the other hand, there’s a reason there are no major companies operating out of the EU. The EU is where innovation goes to die. Like the US, it’s tech rules made by people who neither understand nor love tech. EU does fight for their citizens, but the fact remains that the EU is also hurting its citizens here. Apple doesn’t have to play ball, they can take their ball and go home, and still sell a lesser product to the EU for the same money. Apple is not going to take a loss here. Only people losing will be those living in the EU.
Apple says the EU wanted too much of your personal data. The EU didn’t respond to that. All they really said was “Apple wanted a blanket exception and that is not an option.” Apple still gets to wear its privacy hat, and the EU look like arseholes.
Also, I didn’t read Apple’s message as “blaming the EU.” It was more that they just said due to the way things are over there, Siri AI will not be available there. Sure, they chose their words carefully, but my read on it was “it is what it is,” not “it’s all their fault.” More of an “agree to disagree” kind of thing. Like “they want X, we want Z, we tried Y for a while but they won’t budge and honestly we don’t want to either, so this is what happens next.” Now the citizens of the EU can just roll over and take it, or they can contact the EU leadership and whatnot and tell them they want less regulation. Who knows.
This is such bullshit. There are three principle reasons why the EU does not grow as many tech giants: 1. Venture capital is hard to cone by in the EU, 2. The language barriers and 3. The not-quite-finished-single market, with many countries not aligning their laws to the EU framework. 1 and 3 are actively being addressed and 2 is a disappearing issue as the younger generations aee all fluent in English.
To your point however, innovation has always been one of the strong suits of the European continent, much more so than monetization which is not a synonym.
On the other hand, there’s a reason there are no major companies operating out of the EU.
Yeah who’s ever heard of Audi, niche car company that they are.
There’s also that big particle accelerator who do you think paid for that? Private equity?
Like the US, it’s tech rules made by people who neither understand nor love tech.
So if this were true the US would also be the land where innovation goes to die. Which actually on that point there are plenty of scientists that are leaving the United States because of its almost fearful attitude to intelligence.
VW, Audi, Škoda, Fiat, Seat… Those are just some of the european car brands.
And then Siemens, CAF, Ansaldobreda, Alstom… all really important train manufacturers (apparently Škoda also makes trains, TIL)
Siemens is also a really big multinational that makes a lot of stuff, including industrial systems and bleeding edge science equipment and healthcare machinery.
Airbus is another massive company, which builds aircraft, spacecraft and it’s also a “defence” contractor (fuck Airbus)
Speaking about space, the ESA (European Space Agency) is one of the most important space agencies, and it has built and launched some really important satellites. It has also made science equipment and parts for many joint NASA-ESA missions, and it has even built some of the modules of the ISS. Among some of the cool things the ESA has done is the Galileo satellite constellation, that provides worldwide geopositioning at higher precision than the US-built GPS constellation. It also helped NASA build the first space telescope, and it provided some parts and equipment for the Hubble Space Telescope.
Some people mentioned the CERN before. A world class research project, that currently has plans to be expanded, and that was built in collaboration by many countries in the EU. It’s an impressive thing to research about.
Europe also has really good infrastructure, and it currently houses the world’s longest road tunnel, the world’s longest railway tunnel and the world’s longest foot/bike tunnel. It has one of the best rail networks in the world, and it also holds the 3rd, 4th and 5th place in train speed records (and it still holds first place in stock/unmodified train speed records, according to wikipedia)
It also has some really important semiconductor companies, like NXP, Infineon and STMicroelectronics. Even ASML, the company that manufactures the machines that make all of the chips used in the US (yes, even Nvidia’s, Intel’s and AMD’s chips) is a European company.
Europe also has some of the biggest telecoms, like Deutsche Telekom, Orange and Telefónica, and it’s home to some phone brands, like Fairphone.
As a honorable mention, Linus Torvalds, who initially made Linux, the system most of the US (and the world) runs on top of, is european.
Everyone here sucks, or whatever the term is in the “Am I the asshole?” threads when everyone is in the wrong.
Apple knows what the EU regulations are and as a company that wants to do business in the bloc, they have to abide by their rules. Also, China and the Middle East are stricter and Apple happily kowtows to them. And of course Apple bends over for the US regime as well. So what’s different about doing it for the EU?
On the other hand, there’s a reason there are no major companies operating out of the EU. The EU is where innovation goes to die. Like the US, it’s tech rules made by people who neither understand nor love tech. EU does fight for their citizens, but the fact remains that the EU is also hurting its citizens here. Apple doesn’t have to play ball, they can take their ball and go home, and still sell a lesser product to the EU for the same money. Apple is not going to take a loss here. Only people losing will be those living in the EU.
Apple says the EU wanted too much of your personal data. The EU didn’t respond to that. All they really said was “Apple wanted a blanket exception and that is not an option.” Apple still gets to wear its privacy hat, and the EU look like arseholes.
Also, I didn’t read Apple’s message as “blaming the EU.” It was more that they just said due to the way things are over there, Siri AI will not be available there. Sure, they chose their words carefully, but my read on it was “it is what it is,” not “it’s all their fault.” More of an “agree to disagree” kind of thing. Like “they want X, we want Z, we tried Y for a while but they won’t budge and honestly we don’t want to either, so this is what happens next.” Now the citizens of the EU can just roll over and take it, or they can contact the EU leadership and whatnot and tell them they want less regulation. Who knows.
This is such bullshit. There are three principle reasons why the EU does not grow as many tech giants: 1. Venture capital is hard to cone by in the EU, 2. The language barriers and 3. The not-quite-finished-single market, with many countries not aligning their laws to the EU framework. 1 and 3 are actively being addressed and 2 is a disappearing issue as the younger generations aee all fluent in English.
To your point however, innovation has always been one of the strong suits of the European continent, much more so than monetization which is not a synonym.
I think there are major companies operating out of the EU. Airbus for example. And I’m sure there are more….
Yeah who’s ever heard of Audi, niche car company that they are.
There’s also that big particle accelerator who do you think paid for that? Private equity?
So if this were true the US would also be the land where innovation goes to die. Which actually on that point there are plenty of scientists that are leaving the United States because of its almost fearful attitude to intelligence.
Why choose Audi out of all the possible examples? At least go with VW
VW, Audi, Škoda, Fiat, Seat… Those are just some of the european car brands.
And then Siemens, CAF, Ansaldobreda, Alstom… all really important train manufacturers (apparently Škoda also makes trains, TIL)
Siemens is also a really big multinational that makes a lot of stuff, including industrial systems and bleeding edge science equipment and healthcare machinery.
Airbus is another massive company, which builds aircraft, spacecraft and it’s also a “defence” contractor (fuck Airbus)
Speaking about space, the ESA (European Space Agency) is one of the most important space agencies, and it has built and launched some really important satellites. It has also made science equipment and parts for many joint NASA-ESA missions, and it has even built some of the modules of the ISS. Among some of the cool things the ESA has done is the Galileo satellite constellation, that provides worldwide geopositioning at higher precision than the US-built GPS constellation. It also helped NASA build the first space telescope, and it provided some parts and equipment for the Hubble Space Telescope.
Some people mentioned the CERN before. A world class research project, that currently has plans to be expanded, and that was built in collaboration by many countries in the EU. It’s an impressive thing to research about.
Europe also has really good infrastructure, and it currently houses the world’s longest road tunnel, the world’s longest railway tunnel and the world’s longest foot/bike tunnel. It has one of the best rail networks in the world, and it also holds the 3rd, 4th and 5th place in train speed records (and it still holds first place in stock/unmodified train speed records, according to wikipedia)
It also has some really important semiconductor companies, like NXP, Infineon and STMicroelectronics. Even ASML, the company that manufactures the machines that make all of the chips used in the US (yes, even Nvidia’s, Intel’s and AMD’s chips) is a European company.
Europe also has some of the biggest telecoms, like Deutsche Telekom, Orange and Telefónica, and it’s home to some phone brands, like Fairphone.
As a honorable mention, Linus Torvalds, who initially made Linux, the system most of the US (and the world) runs on top of, is european.