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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.mlEnglish ·
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You may not like it, but this is what peak democracy looks like

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You may not like it, but this is what peak democracy looks like

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    Kiev has committed massive numbers of war crimes. If your point is that committing war crimes should be a measuring stick, and the side with fewer war crimes is correct, then this is horribly reductive. Ukraine was fine with Russia until the west backed a coup in 2014 and empowered neofascists, this is why the whole civil war erupted and transitioned to war with Russia in 2022.

    As for popularity, no state has “free media.” The people legitimately support Putin, in general, though the communists have been gaining ground.

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      What war crimes has Ukraine commited?

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        From the thread I linked elsewhere:

        • https://www.ohchr.org/en/documents/country-reports/40th-periodic-report-human-rights-situation-ukraine-treatment-prisoners
        • https://www.npr.org/2023/01/31/1152743054/human-rights-watch-ukraine-landmines
        • CNN coverage of Donbas in 2014 https://xcancel.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296
        • UN finds no genocide https://news.yahoo.com/un-commission-fails-evidence-russias-160057021.html
        • https://mronline.org/2023/07/30/russia-donbass-and-the-reality-of-the-conflict-in-ukraine/
        • Stoltenberg admits NATO was in Ukraine since 2014 https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/opinions_211698.htm
        • https://www.kanekoa.news/p/osce-reports-reveal-ukraine-started
        • HRW https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/10/20/ukraine-widespread-use-cluster-munitions
        • Donbas documentary 2016 https://youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs
        • clip from the doc https://odysee.com/@justsomeclips:2/trade-union-burning-2014:8
        • Ukraine in Donbas https://ingaza.wordpress.com/2022/08/10/what-ive-seen-of-ukraines-war-crimes-against-civilians-in-the-donbass-over-the-years/
        • https://thegrayzone.com/2023/09/06/ukraines-arms-supplier-maidan-massacre/
        • Poroshenko https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHWHqj8g7Bk

        Essentially, killing civilians, torturing prisoners, shelling civilian areas, similar tactics to the IDF with respect to the Donbass. Makes sense considering Israel and Ukraine occupy similar roles for western imperialism, both are staunch allies, and both are run by fascists.

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          Yes, let’s go decade ago to fish something out.

          Meanwhile Russia is commiting tens of thousands of them in this conflict alone.

          Fuck off.

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            The war has been going on for over a decade, history didn’t start in 2022. Ukraine is regularly shelling civilian populations, just the other day they murdered a dozen teenage girls in a shelling attack. The Statesian/Zionist attack on Minab Elementary School comes to mind as a parallel.

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              Deflecting, deflecting, deflecting, never admitting for a second that Russia is doing attrocities.

              Get lost.

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                How does it feel to know that Ukraine is pretty much over. The demographic collapse alone will end the country entirely.

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                Russia has committed war crimes, I never said otherwise. You asked for evidence of Ukraine committing war crimes, and I gave that evidence. I also explained that treating war crimes like a measuring stick is horribly reductive, you’ve deflected beyond the central question of self determination for the Donbass region.

                I’ve done absolutely nothing wrong. Caping for neofascists like you’re doing isn’t received well here.

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