Yes, because the current plan is working and everything is going so great!
Let’s face it, paying our ruling class to solve climate change is the only viable solution. We have two options:
let them amass all the wealth while they destroy the planet
let them amass all the wealth while they save the planet
The other options are gone already. Experts are saying that if tax the wealthy now we may be able to limit the heating to 2C. 2C is mass deaths and destruction. Our best hope now, if we do the impossible and introduce global wealth tax, is a global disaster…
Current plan failed already. Time for plan B: pay the oligarchs not to kill all of us.
And don’t even start with the “time for a revolution” bullshit. It’s too late for that to.
Bad news for you: we’ve been paying the oligarchs for decades. That’s why they’re so much richer now. They could already have done a lot to reduce global warming and they didn’t do shit.
It’s incredibly naive to think they’ll “fix it” by giving them even more money. First because they think they can escape the consequences, second because they have no idea how to fix it: they’ve made many claims over time that were pure stupidity on the topic, third because they would never ever ever do anything that don’t somewhat benefit themselves and their gigantic egos.
By the way: geo-engineering is not a “solution” backed by climate experts.
In theory it’s not too late to stay under +2"C, providing we take urgent and radical measures now. The best moment was decades ago, the next best moment is now, the third is tomorrow morning.
Oligarchs will get all of us killed, including themselves. Yes, they need to be reined in. The alternatives are just modulating how fast we die.
By the way: geo-engineering is not a “solution” backed by climate experts.
Geo-engineering is taboo. Climate experts are afraid that if we start talking about it seriously we will abandon other, less risky, sustainable solutions. Those solutions are gone now.
In theory it’s not too late to stay under +2"C,
But in practical terms it is. While we were waiting for “radical measures” we blew past 0.5C goal, 1C goal and now we will blow past 2C goal. Turns out waiting for solutions simply does not lower CO2 emissions.
It’s incredibly naive to think they’ll “fix it” by giving them even more money.
I’m not saying that we should just give them more money and they will be nice enough to fix it. Yes, that would be naive.
What I’m saying is that we have to come up with a plan they will get behind. They will only support a plan that’s profitable for them.
they have no idea how to fix it
I’m not saying we should ask them to come up with the solution. Scientist will design the solution. It will be extremely expensive. The money will be extracted from lower classes. Private companies owned by the oligarchs will implement it and profit from it massively.
The alternative is to continue demanding the ruling class sacrifice their wealth for the greater good while they ignore us and nothing gets done.
Geo-engineering is taboo. Climate experts are afraid that if we start talking about it seriously we will abandon other, less risky, sustainable solutions. Those solutions are gone now.
It’s really not. There were papers about particles in the sky, nuke near the Antarctic, giant mirrors in orbit, etc. Climate experts just won’t promote unproven solutions that may have even more disastrous unexpected consequences while we have proven solutions that we collectively just don’t want to adopt.
But in practical terms it is. While we were waiting for “radical measures” we blew past 0.5C goal, 1C goal and now we will blow past 2C goal. Turns out waiting for solutions simply does not lower CO2 emissions.
We didn’t “wait”. We collectively elected people who didn’t give a shit, over and over. We still do. So a proposal to “pay the oligarchs” with money we no longer have because they already hoarded most of it, so that they apply solutions scientists propose instead of keep hoarding more, while they’re obsessed with power and are allergic to constrain is ludicrous.
What I’m saying is that we have to come up with a plan they will get behind. They will only support a plan that’s profitable for them
No, they won’t. Because whatever plan you come up with will come with constrains for them. You should have realized that by now. EVs are profitable. Solar panels are profitable. Musk got in both. And he also decided to launch rockets and get in AI, not only nullifying the benefits of the 2 first, but managing a negative overall contribution, all while claiming we have ample time to fix the climate crisis and other stupid statements.
I’m not saying we should ask them to come up with the solution. Scientist will design the solution. It will be extremely expensive. The money will be extracted from lower classes. Private companies owned by the oligarchs will implement it and profit from it massively.
If such solution existed, they would have done it a long time ago. What you propose is what? Public money that we give to them in exchange of a promise they’ll do something useful? Ever heard of Hyperloop or hydrogen commercial planes?
The alternative is to continue demanding the ruling class sacrifice their wealth for the greater good while they ignore us and nothing gets done.
No, the alternative is to elect people who give a damn and know what they’re doing, go after the oligarchs, tax the hell out of them so that states actually have resources to get shit done.
While you seem to believe “there is no way”, some countries around the world are doing their transition way faster than expected.
No, the alternative is to elect people who give a damn and know what they’re doing, go after the oligarchs, tax the hell out of them so that states actually have resources to get shit done.
Ok, so keep waiting for everyone to wake up while the temperatures raise. That worked great for the last 3 decades. I’m sure we can keep doing it for couple more with same results. Let’s just move the goal to 3C and keep waiting.
Public money that we give to them in exchange of a promise they’ll do something useful?
I already explained. Not for a promise, for implementing it. We have to come up with actual, concrete plan that will lower temperatures. It will be very expensive. To implement it we will have to extract even more wealth from the 99% and pay private companies to implement it. 1% will benefit by implementing it, not by promising something. Private contractors make money on public projects every day. Look it up.
And let’s be clear, I obviously know that the world will go with your plan and nothing will be done while everyone waits for revolution. I jut want people to understand what’s going on.
You have two choices:
get up right now, storm the headquarters of the oil and AI companies, kick out the corrupt politicians and change the system
pay the rich people to save up
Did you get up? Are you storming? No? Then it’s already too late the only solution is to pay up.
Maybe if more people will realize what the choices are something will move.
Look, I don’t know if you’re a troll or seriously delusional. But planting the solutions as “do nothing” or “give everything left to billionaires so that they follow a plan that addresses global warming but in a way that’s profitable for billionaires without putting any constrain on them” is not just a fallacy, it’s laughingly absurd.
Your plan does not exist, and will most likely never exist. And even if you could find some mad scientist proposing a plan (not backed by a scientific consensus), you have no way to convince billionaires to fund it. They don’t need you to get the 99% money funnelled in their pocket.
But I will store that idea somewhere close to the proposal to burn every fossil fuel left on Earth to supply AI so that AI finds a solution to global warming.
you have no way to convince billionaires to fund it.
give everything left to billionaires so that they follow a plan that addresses global warming but in a way that’s profitable for billionaires without putting any constrain on them”
What I wrote is really not that complicated but it’s clearly beyond your understanding. I’m sure other people will get it.
Yes, because the current plan is working and everything is going so great!
Let’s face it, paying our ruling class to solve climate change is the only viable solution. We have two options:
The other options are gone already. Experts are saying that if tax the wealthy now we may be able to limit the heating to 2C. 2C is mass deaths and destruction. Our best hope now, if we do the impossible and introduce global wealth tax, is a global disaster…
Current plan failed already. Time for plan B: pay the oligarchs not to kill all of us.
And don’t even start with the “time for a revolution” bullshit. It’s too late for that to.
Bad news for you: we’ve been paying the oligarchs for decades. That’s why they’re so much richer now. They could already have done a lot to reduce global warming and they didn’t do shit.
It’s incredibly naive to think they’ll “fix it” by giving them even more money. First because they think they can escape the consequences, second because they have no idea how to fix it: they’ve made many claims over time that were pure stupidity on the topic, third because they would never ever ever do anything that don’t somewhat benefit themselves and their gigantic egos.
By the way: geo-engineering is not a “solution” backed by climate experts.
In theory it’s not too late to stay under +2"C, providing we take urgent and radical measures now. The best moment was decades ago, the next best moment is now, the third is tomorrow morning.
Oligarchs will get all of us killed, including themselves. Yes, they need to be reined in. The alternatives are just modulating how fast we die.
Geo-engineering is taboo. Climate experts are afraid that if we start talking about it seriously we will abandon other, less risky, sustainable solutions. Those solutions are gone now.
But in practical terms it is. While we were waiting for “radical measures” we blew past 0.5C goal, 1C goal and now we will blow past 2C goal. Turns out waiting for solutions simply does not lower CO2 emissions.
I’m not saying that we should just give them more money and they will be nice enough to fix it. Yes, that would be naive.
What I’m saying is that we have to come up with a plan they will get behind. They will only support a plan that’s profitable for them.
I’m not saying we should ask them to come up with the solution. Scientist will design the solution. It will be extremely expensive. The money will be extracted from lower classes. Private companies owned by the oligarchs will implement it and profit from it massively.
The alternative is to continue demanding the ruling class sacrifice their wealth for the greater good while they ignore us and nothing gets done.
It’s really not. There were papers about particles in the sky, nuke near the Antarctic, giant mirrors in orbit, etc. Climate experts just won’t promote unproven solutions that may have even more disastrous unexpected consequences while we have proven solutions that we collectively just don’t want to adopt.
We didn’t “wait”. We collectively elected people who didn’t give a shit, over and over. We still do. So a proposal to “pay the oligarchs” with money we no longer have because they already hoarded most of it, so that they apply solutions scientists propose instead of keep hoarding more, while they’re obsessed with power and are allergic to constrain is ludicrous.
No, they won’t. Because whatever plan you come up with will come with constrains for them. You should have realized that by now. EVs are profitable. Solar panels are profitable. Musk got in both. And he also decided to launch rockets and get in AI, not only nullifying the benefits of the 2 first, but managing a negative overall contribution, all while claiming we have ample time to fix the climate crisis and other stupid statements.
If such solution existed, they would have done it a long time ago. What you propose is what? Public money that we give to them in exchange of a promise they’ll do something useful? Ever heard of Hyperloop or hydrogen commercial planes?
No, the alternative is to elect people who give a damn and know what they’re doing, go after the oligarchs, tax the hell out of them so that states actually have resources to get shit done. While you seem to believe “there is no way”, some countries around the world are doing their transition way faster than expected.
Ok, so keep waiting for everyone to wake up while the temperatures raise. That worked great for the last 3 decades. I’m sure we can keep doing it for couple more with same results. Let’s just move the goal to 3C and keep waiting.
I already explained. Not for a promise, for implementing it. We have to come up with actual, concrete plan that will lower temperatures. It will be very expensive. To implement it we will have to extract even more wealth from the 99% and pay private companies to implement it. 1% will benefit by implementing it, not by promising something. Private contractors make money on public projects every day. Look it up.
And let’s be clear, I obviously know that the world will go with your plan and nothing will be done while everyone waits for revolution. I jut want people to understand what’s going on.
You have two choices:
Did you get up? Are you storming? No? Then it’s already too late the only solution is to pay up.
Maybe if more people will realize what the choices are something will move.
Look, I don’t know if you’re a troll or seriously delusional. But planting the solutions as “do nothing” or “give everything left to billionaires so that they follow a plan that addresses global warming but in a way that’s profitable for billionaires without putting any constrain on them” is not just a fallacy, it’s laughingly absurd.
Your plan does not exist, and will most likely never exist. And even if you could find some mad scientist proposing a plan (not backed by a scientific consensus), you have no way to convince billionaires to fund it. They don’t need you to get the 99% money funnelled in their pocket.
But I will store that idea somewhere close to the proposal to burn every fossil fuel left on Earth to supply AI so that AI finds a solution to global warming.
What I wrote is really not that complicated but it’s clearly beyond your understanding. I’m sure other people will get it.
To be fair, it sounds like they’re suggesting we deviate from the current plan, not adhere to it.