I stopped following it all a few years back, but basically, hyprland community was one of the most toxic places on the internet for a while. And the official response was that they didn’t want to do anything about it. There was later a bit of attempt to clean things up, but by that point I had already lost interest.
A quote from Vaxry on his own blog about his stance of the community being ruined by “inclusive activists”
if I run a discord server around cultivating tomatoes, I should not exclude people based on their political beliefs, unless they use my discord server to spread those views. which means even if they are literally adolf hitler, I shouldn’t care, as long as they don’t post about gassing people on my server
And then further goes on to compare LGBT issues with geopolitics:
It’s important to note that there are many people who disagree on topics like religion, economic systems, LGBT issues, geopolitics, and other. For whatever reasons they may, we still should not ostracize them as long as they can interact with the FOSS community in a respectful manner, without arguing about those issues in places not meant for such discussions.
“I’d be ok with having Hitler around (because separate the art and the artist), but also, LGBT issues are divisive, so we don’t want things like pronouns showing up around here.”
Vaxry strikes me as the type of person who would start off actually neutral, and when asked to not make offensive comments, would double down on his right to make offensive comments even if he doesn’t believe in them, until the only people in the community are people who make those offensive comments earnestly.
So overall, not a community/project I would personally want to be involved in. Too much drama, and even if it’s not a “nazi” project, it markets itself as being welcoming of hitler.
If you don’t kick nazis out in the name of political neutrality, then you become a safe space for them to gather. And then you become a Nazi community.
I’m not here to say they are a Nazi community, but for a while there, there was a lot of hateful, toxic far right stuff coming out of the community. So “we just don’t talk politics” was absolutely not what was happening.
im not saying i agree with vaxry, i think calling yourself non political is bullshit and mostly just an excuse.
im saying im doubtful of your previous comment as it seems from my perspective that you either Misunderstood the quote, or worded your comment in an unfortunate manner that made it seem like that, due to your summary
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It’s important to note that there are many people who disagree on topics like religion, economic systems, LGBT issues, geopolitics, and other. For whatever reasons they may, we still should not ostracize them as long as they can interact with the FOSS community in a respectful manner, without arguing about those issues in places not meant for such discussions.
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but also, LGBT issues are divisive, so we don’t want things like pronouns showing up around here.
which to me seems very… flawed for lack of a better word
I left out some context. There was a massive controversy that sparked a lot of the “toxic community” claims. Someone showed up with pronouns in their discord display name. A server mod changed that user’s display name on the server so the pronouns were “(who/cares)” … Which vaxry declared “not a big deal” but they made it clear that showing up with pronouns in the server was “politically divisive” and that users who include pronouns are unwelcome.
“LGBT issue” being lumped in with “politics” in his quote is intentional, as his way of being dismissive of it.
I stopped following it all a few years back, but basically, hyprland community was one of the most toxic places on the internet for a while. And the official response was that they didn’t want to do anything about it. There was later a bit of attempt to clean things up, but by that point I had already lost interest.
A quote from Vaxry on his own blog about his stance of the community being ruined by “inclusive activists”
And then further goes on to compare LGBT issues with geopolitics:
“I’d be ok with having Hitler around (because separate the art and the artist), but also, LGBT issues are divisive, so we don’t want things like pronouns showing up around here.”
Vaxry strikes me as the type of person who would start off actually neutral, and when asked to not make offensive comments, would double down on his right to make offensive comments even if he doesn’t believe in them, until the only people in the community are people who make those offensive comments earnestly.
So overall, not a community/project I would personally want to be involved in. Too much drama, and even if it’s not a “nazi” project, it markets itself as being welcoming of hitler.
edit: https://blog.vaxry.net/articles/2023-inclusiveActivists the blog post for reference
If you allow Nazis into your bar, whether you’re a Nazi or not, your bar is now a Nazi bar. Don’t let Nazis into your bar.
so maybe im getting this wrong, but both qoutes you gave seem to me to take on a “just shut up about any politics whatsoever, i dont care.” stance
If hitler was in your discord, which was infamously toxic and politics was a topic coming up, looking the other way isn’t the right choice.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Nazi_bar
If you don’t kick nazis out in the name of political neutrality, then you become a safe space for them to gather. And then you become a Nazi community.
I’m not here to say they are a Nazi community, but for a while there, there was a lot of hateful, toxic far right stuff coming out of the community. So “we just don’t talk politics” was absolutely not what was happening.
im not saying i agree with vaxry, i think calling yourself non political is bullshit and mostly just an excuse. im saying im doubtful of your previous comment as it seems from my perspective that you either Misunderstood the quote, or worded your comment in an unfortunate manner that made it seem like that, due to your summary
like you truned
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which to me seems very… flawed for lack of a better word
I left out some context. There was a massive controversy that sparked a lot of the “toxic community” claims. Someone showed up with pronouns in their discord display name. A server mod changed that user’s display name on the server so the pronouns were “(who/cares)” … Which vaxry declared “not a big deal” but they made it clear that showing up with pronouns in the server was “politically divisive” and that users who include pronouns are unwelcome.
“LGBT issue” being lumped in with “politics” in his quote is intentional, as his way of being dismissive of it.