this be an abusive relationship fr
Been on hyprland exclusively for the past year, haven’t had too many issues. Some syntax changes, a deprecated plugin that was forked a few days later.
I knew what I was getting into by daily driving beta software, and with that in mind I’m pleasantly surprised by how few things have actually broken.
EDIT:
Looks like everything is changing over to LUA, just spent an hour converting and tweaking my setup to work with new syntax. Legacy configuration will only be supported for a couple more releases, so might as well convert now.
nazi window manager 👎
does that come with an explanation?
I stopped following it all a few years back, but basically, hyprland community was one of the most toxic places on the internet for a while. And the official response was that they didn’t want to do anything about it. There was later a bit of attempt to clean things up, but by that point I had already lost interest.
A quote from Vaxry on his own blog about his stance of the community being ruined by “inclusive activists”
if I run a discord server around cultivating tomatoes, I should not exclude people based on their political beliefs, unless they use my discord server to spread those views. which means even if they are literally adolf hitler, I shouldn’t care, as long as they don’t post about gassing people on my server
And then further goes on to compare LGBT issues with geopolitics:
It’s important to note that there are many people who disagree on topics like religion, economic systems, LGBT issues, geopolitics, and other. For whatever reasons they may, we still should not ostracize them as long as they can interact with the FOSS community in a respectful manner, without arguing about those issues in places not meant for such discussions.
“I’d be ok with having Hitler around (because separate the art and the artist), but also, LGBT issues are divisive, so we don’t want things like pronouns showing up around here.”
Vaxry strikes me as the type of person who would start off actually neutral, and when asked to not make offensive comments, would double down on his right to make offensive comments even if he doesn’t believe in them, until the only people in the community are people who make those offensive comments earnestly.
So overall, not a community/project I would personally want to be involved in. Too much drama, and even if it’s not a “nazi” project, it markets itself as being welcoming of hitler.
edit: https://blog.vaxry.net/articles/2023-inclusiveActivists the blog post for reference
If you allow Nazis into your bar, whether you’re a Nazi or not, your bar is now a Nazi bar. Don’t let Nazis into your bar.
so maybe im getting this wrong, but both qoutes you gave seem to me to take on a “just shut up about any politics whatsoever, i dont care.” stance
If hitler was in your discord, which was infamously toxic and politics was a topic coming up, looking the other way isn’t the right choice.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Nazi_bar
If you don’t kick nazis out in the name of political neutrality, then you become a safe space for them to gather. And then you become a Nazi community.
I’m not here to say they are a Nazi community, but for a while there, there was a lot of hateful, toxic far right stuff coming out of the community. So “we just don’t talk politics” was absolutely not what was happening.
im not saying i agree with vaxry, i think calling yourself non political is bullshit and mostly just an excuse. im saying im doubtful of your previous comment as it seems from my perspective that you either Misunderstood the quote, or worded your comment in an unfortunate manner that made it seem like that, due to your summary
like you truned
It’s important to note that there are many people who disagree on topics like religion, economic systems, LGBT issues, geopolitics, and other. For whatever reasons they may, we still should not ostracize them as long as they can interact with the FOSS community in a respectful manner, without arguing about those issues in places not meant for such discussions.
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but also, LGBT issues are divisive, so we don’t want things like pronouns showing up around here.
which to me seems very… flawed for lack of a better word
I left out some context. There was a massive controversy that sparked a lot of the “toxic community” claims. Someone showed up with pronouns in their discord display name. A server mod changed that user’s display name on the server so the pronouns were “(who/cares)” … Which vaxry declared “not a big deal” but they made it clear that showing up with pronouns in the server was “politically divisive” and that users who include pronouns are unwelcome.
“LGBT issue” being lumped in with “politics” in his quote is intentional, as his way of being dismissive of it.
I’ve used hyprland for so long, but one of the updates broke being able to maintain direct scanout while screencasting a window. Used tearing for a bit instead.
But I finally went back to plasma after not using it for two years. And let me say, other than missing tiling, playing counter strike on KDE is always smooth and low input lag.
Kröhnkite works pretty well for me to do tiling. Feels reasonably close to i3 with some config.
There are multiple tiling kwin scripts both manual, automatic, even scrolling.
That was the opposite of my experience. For Minecraft at least I went from ~110 FPS in hyprland to ~80 in plasma. Felt like there was an extra frame or two of delay too, but I never measured.
Sway…
I guess it’s boring but it’s never broken on me in the 5ish years I’ve been using it since switching from i3.
I read all this hype about hyprland but sway does what I want and need as a tiling window manager, and simply see no need to even try hyprland.
Hyprland has several practical features that Sway does not have. I have used both extensively and I stayed at Hyprland because of the following:
- DynamicBSP layout
- Moving windows without changing layout structure is easy
- Special workspaces(scratch pads)
- They can be toggled
- One can launch apps when opened empty
- They can automatically close when the last window closes.
Things Sway has that Hyprland does not:
- Closing all windows contained in workspace
- Moving all windows from one workspace to another
I have thought coming back to Sway because of the performance and because of Hyprland’s the silly default wallpapers and splash screens, but those features hold me back.
I saw some cool features I’m kinda missing in river (especially the wide range of compatible tools and stability, performance) and I really want to like it.
I’d actually bother setting it up if it had dynamic (master slave) layouts. But I can’t for the love of god find out if it exists or if it’s just a manual tiler. Does it?
Honestly, how can there be breaking changes to the config this often. Need to move to niri or mango
The dev lists as features:
- Fast and active development
- Not afraid to provide bleeding-edge features
And includes a breaking changes tracker:
https://github.com/hyprwm/Hyprland/issues/8424So yeah, use it if you are OK with that.
I am currently on hyprland, but previously tried to cutover to Niri and I had issues getting steam games to launch consistently. Has Niri gotten a bit easier to use while gaming? I tried maybe 5 months ago and just ended up staying on Hyprland because everything has been working without too many issues.
I’ve been daily driving niri on my gaming PC for about as long as you’ve been away. The only problem I have now and then is games will run in tiled mode, while the game itself is fullscreen, so I’m only seeing the left half of the game. Mod+Shift+F has always fixed it so far, and it’s rare enough that I haven’t looked into making a window rule. I don’t use Steam but I’m not sure that matters.
Using Niri on CachyOS with a RTX50 series GPU (which seems to have the most issues with latest games/drivers). I jump between dozens of games and only had issues with 3 so far:
- Monster Hunter Wilds (was broken for a couple months earlier in the year, just a driver issue fixed by update)
- Ghost of Tsushima (again broken by a single driver update – haven’t tried again cause fuck Sony)
- Enshrouded (single driver update once again, fixed within a week)
So in my experience, yeah Niri is great for games. Especially having things fake-fullscreen while multitasking, jumping around between browser, Discord, etc
*Edit Meant to add in contrast, Subnautica 2 launch day went perfectly, as did Windrose… So even new/early access seems absolutely fine.
Especially having things fake-fullscreen while multitasking, jumping around between browser, Discord, etc
I second this, Niri’s overview feature is insanely good for multitasking, switching between windows\workspaces is way easier this way. It’s like gnome’s overview, but better.
Recently had to move back to hyprland due to bug with bit depth (after half a year, bug fix finally merged, will be in new release afaik) and I’m missing this feature so much. On top of that, most “extensions” that provide same functionality simply either dead or can’t compile due to recent changes. Also my old config refused to work, so I had to comment bunch of stuff. It’s just a mess.
Is that bloodborne?! Didn’t realise it was available/ready for play on PC? Is this just a PS4 emulator?
Also, agree, Niri is fantastic!
Havent done much gaming on it so I wouldn’t know, but I hope so. Would probably be a deal breaker
I wanted to try tiling for a long time and finally decided to give hypr a go on a few systems. It was powerful and fun. Mostly interesting. Just started moving back to plasma. It’s just so stable and predictable. Will probably leave hypr on one of my old chromebooks for funsies but anything I’m actually trying to get something done on has to be plasma.
Just so you know, Hyprland’s developer made “Hypr” (xorg window manager) before making “Hyprland”.
About to risk it all and type yay && flatpak update ✊😔
damn I know that graphing library
It’s pretty cool btw haha Though, I have no idea what it’s called anymore.
i just google something like “arch window manager usage”
I just use DMS+mangoWC setup that came with cachyos.
Ever tried replacing DMS with Noctalia? I much prefer it after Niri switched the default quickshellbut want to try MangoWC due to the different layout options
I tried niri but scrolling window managers aren’t for me. I quickly realized that. I did try noctalia previously on arch but since cachyos provides all the configs by default and I only change the keybinds, I have stuck with DMS. I did try to customize the hell out when using noctalia tho. It looked good but I was so hellbent on ricing it, I wasn’t doing that much work. So I have now switched to a default, just works setup where I can actually work.
MangoWC has been great. Doesn’t break the config after every update (cough… hyprland).
