I am skeptical about the real level of protection that Anubis really provides.
At the end is an automated test. Meaning that any machine could easily solve it.
Most “attackers” wont bother solving it because they don’t really care. But if they would want they could. It’s sort of protection by obscurity.
The more Anubis it’s used the more we see attacks that actually equip a way to solve the challenges. Then is when Anubis up the challenge and the battle begin, between how much can Anubis up the challenge so normal users can still browse and how much cost the attacker is willing to eat.
Giving that these attackers tend to have high budgets I’m not that certain about its actual capabilities to reject a targeted ddos.
As for crawling for big data. I do think that it does nothing here. Companies willing yo scrape big amounts of data, for AI training or other purposes, have massive budgets and the electricity cost of solving the JavaScript challenges become nothing in comparison. They also doesn’t need ro deny the service so they could spread the scrape to keep the challenge low reducing the cost even more.
Once again, positive results we currently see in practice I believe that are caused just because most scrappers and ddos attackers are just blindly attacking and doesn’t really equip themselves for Anubis. Protection by obscurity. But a well equiped attacker I don’t think it would have that much trouble getting past it, specially for scrapping, or other type of bot attacks that could be slowed down.
Thank god we have anubis
Which god? Anubis.
Im a narcissist. Im god
Still better than this
Both have different purposes.
The Anubis challenge could be easily and cheapely solved by any JavaScript engine. It only becomes expensive for a massive number of petitions.
If for instance you would want to register a few thousand emails in a forum anubis is not going to stop anyone.
In fact I’m sceptical about really having an impact. As even when the challenge goes up in difficulty is not that expensive compared with all other cost related to these kinds of attacks or massive scrapes.
My suspicion is that most websites using Anubis see a positive impact because most crawlers and probers doesn’t take into account Anubis, so they don’t even attach a way to solve the challenge and they directly go into the “rejected by anubis” bucket. But any targeted attack I suppose would pass easily, either by doing a slow attack not to up the challenge very much, or just eating the cost. Imagine an AI company that using nuclear plants for training data, the cost of solving a few million JavaScript challenges is nothing in comparison.
As a DDOS mitigation it helps, but once again it’s just a matter of eating the cost by the attacker. And the attack will still deny some service as the challenge go up and new legit users would also need to solve harder challenges.
Yeah Hcaptcha,Using AI against AI.
Perry the platypus?
+1 Anubis, cloudflare can suck mai balls
plus, Cloudflare Turnslide. (i also see it equally as much)
Her face is the response to years of enshittification; without her, the modern browsing experience would suck much harder. Glory to Anubis!
I’ve seen this briefly pop up while looking up linux stuff online recently. Wondered what it was, thank you Lemmy community for some enlightenment!
Anubis is open source, self-hosted, doesn’t block me just because I use a VPN and the later versions work even with JavaScript disabled!
Fuck Cloudflare, long live Anubis!
How exactly is a proof of work engine suppose to run, without any JS work?
Read the docs.
https://anubis.techaro.lol/docs/admin/configuration/challenges/metarefresh/
Apparently it just tells your browser to refresh after x seconds.
That’s just protection by obscurity then. Any targeted attack could do that challenge at zero cost.
Which doesn’t work with some browsers, but it’s acceptable, I guess
What am I missing to understand this? What is Anubis?
Beloved anti scraping/ddos tool
I much prefer to see Anubis rather than some bullshit captcha with a grid of AI generated slop that requires 30 clicks to pass.
(Not so) fun fact: The Anubis image is itself AI slop
https://github.com/TecharoHQ/anubis/commit/3e9a93f629e9c5a69bd7fcd6613d27ce9f5231f9
I’ve read somewhere the main dev has comissioned an artist to redo the Anubis mascot.
You mean 30 clicks before it tells you to “please try again” for no reason.
“Prove that you’re human by solving these machine-generated puzzles that machines can solve to give us more data to train our machines, while we run a simple script in the background to verify that you’re human based on your browser’s metadata.”
I had a captcha a few days ago that was something like “click on all the pictures that go with this” with a picture of a saucepan and the grid was food items and other things.
I pointed my phone at it and asked Gemini and almost instantly it said “the potato in the top left and the carrots look the middle of the bottom row”.
To keep training the captcha solving AI of course
Oh is the person riding the bicycle part of the bicycle this time? What do you want, the corner of the pedal that is just barely in the box, or the out of focus blur in the background that might be a bicycle or it might be a bear. It’s hard to tell.
I have a self bound rule to never do the multi-tile single image ones. Fuck those so much, they’re always wrong. I will refresh for as long as it takes to get a grid of smaller images that may also be hard but I at least have some better grasp over.
I love how toxic she is to corporate professionalism.
Its also perfect marketing, the software is free with the mascot hardcoded in. The official way to change it is to contribute to get an enterprise version.
The code is MIT licensed, what’s preventing you from just removing the logo/changing it with something else…
Nothing but them respectfully asking not to do this, pointing out that they will help you do it if you pay a contribution.
I love how toxic she is to corporate professionalism.
in what way?
It’s just a silly anime girl showing up on first page load. If you’re deathly afraid of seeming unprofessional, that’s gonna do your head in…
Spot on. There were some complaints recently made by people being afraid to be seen as a furry because she has ears and a tail. It’s hilarious
Not that it matters, but it’s not anime style, it’s a “western” style cartoon character. Compare it to e.g. the original Disney princesses, the proportions and style look like that, not like anime characters.
tbf it is clearly inspired by anime tho. those eyes, the skirt and the cat ears are pretty typical anime stuff
He means that many people in a corporate environment wouldn’t expect a anime girl with a magnifying glass popping up on your screen, that could reflect badly on your company. Just imagine some CEO sharing his screen in a presentation and his background is a screenshot of some hentai scene or something. It wouldn’t make you seem very professional in the eye of the other corporate people.
That’s why companies that use anubis will usually pay for the subscription so they can replace the mascot with something else.
Excellent idea !
Oh I See. Fuck that sterile corpo professional shit.
I don’t mind the second it takes. Better than the service going down because of AI bots.
Actually the opposite for me - I love to see her for a second, brightens the day a bit, fights the evil megacorps.
-AAAnubis-chan
Or cloudflare. Fuck cloudflare.
Can take a fair bit longer on low end devices. Don’t have an issue with it beyond that
Take this over cloudflare any day of the week
Long live the Canadian anime catgirl!
Jackal girl.
Anubis weighs the soul of your connection.
I love her!!
