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    We have endless footage of the genocide in Gaza despite the massive surveillance from Israel, we have no footage of any genocide in Xinjiang, serious allegations like that need evidence

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      So if Israel had only captured Palestinians and put them in forced labor camps or sterilized women you wouldn’t believe that either? Human rights violations only count if you blow up a building I guess.

      I don’t understand your logic.

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        Gaza is the most controlled strip of land on Earth, yet we have endless video of carnage

        Xinjiang is a tourist mecca that saw 300 million smartphone-wielding visitors from around the world last year, yet we have zero evidence of abuse

        Make it make sense

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        the only evidence we have come from clearly biases sources; either directly from the western gov’ts or organizations that are enabled by western gov’ts.

        evidence from gaza comes from some random guy on the streets with a smartphone.

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          But the only reports we have of it being a hoax are from China. I don’t want to trust either government. I don’t see why we would blindly believe one jus because it’s the opposition.

          I’m sort of in the middle. Yes, human rights violations have been happening there but, also that Western governments exaggerated or embellish reports on it.

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            there are plenty of non-chinese sources that say this (eg UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, Organisation of Islamic Cooperation, Amsterdam University Academics, etc.).

            the problem is that these viewpoints are not parroted by western media, so it’s up to you to look for it rather than been spoonfed propaganda saying that it is happening.

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              Dude I hate all countries especially my own. I’m immune to your racist CCP bullshit. I know your history and mine. Guess what? Yours is way worse.

              i would love to see the measure you’re using for this insane take. lol

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                the freedom of information act shows a decades long storied history of people getting paid and pushed to make up shit about the places they’ve come from.

                also gusanos (as in cubano gusano) are a thing.

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                  So? That doesn’t mean none of the stories are true.

                  To me, your argument is similar to those who don’t believe rape victims because at least one woman has lied about it in the past.

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                    i’m not saying every account is false. the problems is how these stories are treated as automatically credible without scrutiny, especially when there’s documented evidence of coordinated disinformation campaigns and done by the perpetrators no less.

                    we don’t base policy on individual testimony alone – look for patterns, corroboration, and motive. when a government or a well-funded exile group has a demonstrated interest in shaping public opinion, skepticism isn’t the same as victim-blaming. it’s just basic due diligence.