Taiping Rebellion (1850–1864): ~30 million deaths, mostly civilian
American Civil War (1861–1865): about 620,000 soldiers died; disease accounted for a very large share. Deadliest war in U.S. history. Society has arguably still not recovered.
Rwandan genocide / civil war context (1994): ~800,000 killed in roughly 100 days, with extreme neighbor-on-neighbor violence (“they’re eating the cats!”)
Syrian civil war (2011–present): 300k+ civilian deaths … so far
Sudan civil war (2023–present): 13 million refugees, widespread hunger, health-system collapse
What made them catastrophic?
**Violence spread into civilian life. ** This meant famine, disease, refugees, and economic ruin kill civilians disproportionately.
if your argument is that wars are destructive and problematic… eh… heh… nobody on earth, ever, will debate that. I don’t know what you’re trying to win there, but… eh…
anyway, still, even with the lost civil wars among those (a couple?) they were all worth fighting, (most because they were won). civil freedom is always worth more than servile domination under authoritarian totalitarianm. I prefer freedom of speech and worship to being forced to worship Stalin-- and, especially, the right to say that openly, without fear of being killed for saying so.
or saying, openly, that I love sucking another man’s cock-- which, even in the United States, I was afraid to say so even 25 years ago-- and, I’m afraid that I may no longer be able to openly say perhaps 5 years from now
Not sure what your point was, but, ultimately, your post backs up mine: through all the sacrifice, the payoff is worth it!
That’s easy to say for the living, and for people who have never witnessed this kind of shit first hand.
I’m not the person you’ve been replying to, and I share your concerns, and the belief that we are rapidly running put of options. But I’m not comfortable making such sweeping chipper statements about this stuff when I’ve been privileged enough to never experience actual war.
so… you’re comfortable assuming things you couldn’t possibly know about people you’ve never met while making a bunch of statements about things you couldn’t possibly know in contexts and places you’ve never been while openly and proudly admitting it?
No, I’m comfortable assuming that someone who had actually been through war wouldn’t be so casual speaking of it.
Also, a bunch of statements? Motherfucker that was my first comment this thread.
If you’re ready for bodies in the streets, more power to you. But get off the chair and get the fuck to it instead of ushering others into the grinder.
What made them catastrophic?
**Violence spread into civilian life. ** This meant famine, disease, refugees, and economic ruin kill civilians disproportionately.
if your argument is that wars are destructive and problematic… eh… heh… nobody on earth, ever, will debate that. I don’t know what you’re trying to win there, but… eh…
anyway, still, even with the lost civil wars among those (a couple?) they were all worth fighting, (most because they were won). civil freedom is always worth more than servile domination under authoritarian totalitarianm. I prefer freedom of speech and worship to being forced to worship Stalin-- and, especially, the right to say that openly, without fear of being killed for saying so.
or saying, openly, that I love sucking another man’s cock-- which, even in the United States, I was afraid to say so even 25 years ago-- and, I’m afraid that I may no longer be able to openly say perhaps 5 years from now
Not sure what your point was, but, ultimately, your post backs up mine: through all the sacrifice, the payoff is worth it!
That’s easy to say for the living, and for people who have never witnessed this kind of shit first hand.
I’m not the person you’ve been replying to, and I share your concerns, and the belief that we are rapidly running put of options. But I’m not comfortable making such sweeping chipper statements about this stuff when I’ve been privileged enough to never experience actual war.
so… you’re comfortable assuming things you couldn’t possibly know about people you’ve never met while making a bunch of statements about things you couldn’t possibly know in contexts and places you’ve never been while openly and proudly admitting it?
do you expect a prize or medal for that?
No, I’m comfortable assuming that someone who had actually been through war wouldn’t be so casual speaking of it.
Also, a bunch of statements? Motherfucker that was my first comment this thread.
If you’re ready for bodies in the streets, more power to you. But get off the chair and get the fuck to it instead of ushering others into the grinder.
Calm down wizardbeard… it sounds like you just got stuffed in your locker again, but no one wants another school shooting
Good luck with clown school buddy.
of course you have the mentality of someone still in school-- or who should be, if you hadn’t been kicked out.
good luck getting a 4-star rating on your next drop off or delivery or whatever shitty gig job you have, loser