• UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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    The vast majority of human males on Earth handle this very normal task, and have done so for the entire existence of humanity.

    Go ask around the medical community and you’ll discover quite a few didn’t handle it well. Kids don’t do a good job of washing. That area is easily infected, even setting aside STDs. The procedure was created precisely in response to these perfectly normal human conditions, along with a litany of other - now largely archaic - practices for avoiding illness and infection.

    It is no longer widely recommended, even in the US.

    Even that fact varies state-by-state. It is no longer automatically covered by health insurance, which has resulted in a large drop-off in the practice domestically. But then that’s been the US standard for medicine going on 50 years.

    And your personal preference isn’t really medically relevant.

    It’s highly relevant, since parents are the ultimate arbiters of their childrens’ health and well-being.

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      Go ask around the medical community and you’ll discover quite a few didn’t handle it well. Kids don’t do a good job of washing.

      I have, and this isn’t true. it’s also not supported by the medical documentation available. Instructing kids, especially when you start from an early age, to develop proper hygiene habits is pretty easy. I’ve even borne witness to it many times personally, although I’m not necessarily offering my personal experience as proof.

      It’s highly relevant

      not when you’re making claims about everyone everywhere. what matters there is evidence to back up your claims, which you have yet to provide.

      so, since you were the one who initially made such claims… please back them up from reliable sources such as the AMA, for example.

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        I have, and this isn’t true.

        I’ve got a friend who is a PA that has given me some very unpleasant stories about infected foreskins.

        Instructing kids, especially when you start from an early age

        Sure. People can do lots of things if they are instructed well at an early age. But then people aren’t instructed well. And that’s where you run into problems.

        I’ve even borne witness to it many times personally

        Fascinated to hear all the times you watched someone else wash their dick

        not when you’re making claims about everyone everywhere

        Yes. These are universal problems for the male population. And circumcision is one solution so popular and so common that it’s practiced the world over.

        you were the one who initially made such claims

        I assure you that I’m not the first person to suggest the benefits of circumcision.

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          OK kid come back when you have some actual evidence to back up your claims, lol

          Your anecdotal claims amount to a pile of nothing but personal preference in Internet story time. And while you are perfectly welcome to your personal opinions, you are not entitled to spread claims of “truth“ without backing it up with actual evidence from trusted sources.

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              What? Some guy you could’ve easily just made up to try to make a point in some anonymous Internet forum?

              That’s the point of verified scientific studies from trusted scientific institutions. I don’t have to take your word for it. I can take their word for it. And you still haven’t provided any actual evidence to back up any of your claims.

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      I think you are misinformed.

      Published by Nature in 2023.

      https://scholar.google.com/scholar?as_ylo=2022&q=circumcision+benefits&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C14#d=gs_qabs&t=1776109496893&u=%23p%3De-tlmZfRSqAJ

      “What is the medical evidence on non-therapeutic child circumcision?”

      We conclude that non-therapeutic circumcision performed on otherwise healthy infants or children has little or no high-quality medical evidence to support its overall benefit. Moreover, it is associated with rare but avoidable harm and even occasional deaths. From the perspective of the individual boy, there is no medical justification for performing a circumcision prior to an age that he can assess the known risks and potential benefits, and choose to give or withhold informed consent himself.

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      It’s highly relevant, since parents are the ultimate arbiters of their childrens’ health and well-being.

      Precisely. Parents should protect their children from genital mutilation.

      EDIT: also, parents are NOT the ultimate arbiters. Judges and social services are, and can and should remove children subject to genital mutilation.

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        And, unfortunately, for decades, particularly in the United States, parents were misled with medical misinformation that told them it was medically necessary (or “recommended”) to circumcise their babies. Thankfully, that is no longer the case. Unfortunately, it is still culturally reinforced, although that is fortunately fading.

        But it will likely be several more decades before that misinformation and cultural force finally fades completely.