• null@piefed.nullspace.lol
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    no, i am implying that of the two parties, the democrats are the closest

    So what? They’re still extremely far away and their ideology (Liberalism) is completely incompatible with Hasan’s (Marxist-Leninism).

    There is 0 incentive for Democrats to include someone like Hasan in their coalition.

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      ok?

      so what?

      again, they are spending more effort into attacking someone who is a representative of the left pull of the democratic base.

      instead of doing their fucking job.

      it is clear that democrats want the same things as republicans, but are not as brazen. they don’t want to interface with a youtuber, cool, fine, whatever, i don’t really care.

      but they ignore the progressive pull at their own peril. it is already proved that they no longer have the leverage to demand a conservative democrat as a candidate and actually win elections.

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        again, they are spending more effort into attacking someone who is a representative of the left pull of the democratic base.

        instead of doing their fucking job.

        By what metric? Sounds like you’re just mad that Democrats rightfully don’t want to include someone in their movement who’s core ideology is completely incompatible.

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          23 hours ago

          i don’t care at all about Hasan. he’s not running for office, he is just some face that is saying more progressive talking points, and is getting screen time for it.

          if your TRUE argument is that the progressive base ideology is incompatible with the establishment democrat position… then yes i agree.

          at that point, the democrats have a choice. they make concessions with their own fucking base or voter apathy rises. they already failed in an election with hitler, and their key take away was that they need to meet the republican voter where he stands. they can do that with out me. but i doubt they can do that and win an election.

          when trump violates human rights, schumer wags his finger and sends a polite rebuke.

          when a progressive candidate runs, the entire establishment pulls out their wallet and evey under handed bullshit to undermine their own party!

          when progressive ideals pass on a state level ballot, they sue to stop it.

          so fuck them

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            22 hours ago

            they make concessions with their own fucking base or voter apathy rises.

            Any evidence that voter apathy due to the Dems not being ML enough is costing them elections?

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              i don’t know but i can sure as hell deal without the constant bitching and moaning that the conscientious objectors and the non voting left costing the democrats the election. if you don’t feel that the progressives have the numbers, you will have to take that up with the democratic party messaging, and the result of the leaked internal investigation into the loss of the presidential election and the loss of the mayor election to Zohran Mamdani.

              but you can’t argue that the democrats havn’t lost on their ground.

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                Man, you’re really all over the place.

                So you think Dems need to court MLs to win elections, but you can’t actually back that up with anything. But that if they don’t, they are wasting effort and not doing their job.

                What a mess of an opinion.

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                  5 hours ago

                  it’s pretty straight forward

                  first, not ml’s, progressives.

                  second, they need the more votes, and courting the right is insufficient. that’s backed by their internal report, and their losses with their preferred candidates.

                  third, they are not doing their job because they do not counter the republican party. they waste their time instead maintaining power of corporate democrats

                  these are all consistent

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                    first, not ml’s, progressives.

                    Hasan is an open ML, and you’re saying the Dems need people sharing his views to get votes.

                    second, they need the more votes, and courting the right is insufficient. that’s backed by their internal report, and their losses with their preferred candidates.

                    Source?

                    third, they are not doing their job because they do not counter the republican party. they waste their time instead maintaining power of corporate democrats

                    Do not counter the Republican party how? They don’t have the seats…