i don’t care at all about Hasan. he’s not running for office, he is just some face that is saying more progressive talking points, and is getting screen time for it.
if your TRUE argument is that the progressive base ideology is incompatible with the establishment democrat position… then yes i agree.
at that point, the democrats have a choice. they make concessions with their own fucking base or voter apathy rises. they already failed in an election with hitler, and their key take away was that they need to meet the republican voter where he stands. they can do that with out me. but i doubt they can do that and win an election.
when trump violates human rights, schumer wags his finger and sends a polite rebuke.
when a progressive candidate runs, the entire establishment pulls out their wallet and evey under handed bullshit to undermine their own party!
when progressive ideals pass on a state level ballot, they sue to stop it.
i don’t know but i can sure as hell deal without the constant bitching and moaning that the conscientious objectors and the non voting left costing the democrats the election. if you don’t feel that the progressives have the numbers, you will have to take that up with the democratic party messaging, and the result of the leaked internal investigation into the loss of the presidential election and the loss of the mayor election to Zohran Mamdani.
but you can’t argue that the democrats havn’t lost on their ground.
So you think Dems need to court MLs to win elections, but you can’t actually back that up with anything. But that if they don’t, they are wasting effort and not doing their job.
second, they need the more votes, and courting the right is insufficient. that’s backed by their internal report, and their losses with their preferred candidates.
third, they are not doing their job because they do not counter the republican party. they waste their time instead maintaining power of corporate democrats
Hasan is an open ML, and you’re saying the Dems need people sharing his views to get votes.
second, they need the more votes, and courting the right is insufficient. that’s backed by their internal report, and their losses with their preferred candidates.
Source?
third, they are not doing their job because they do not counter the republican party. they waste their time instead maintaining power of corporate democrats
Do not counter the Republican party how? They don’t have the seats…
based on institutional self suppression, alignment to their corporate doaners, the abandonment of leverage such as the shut down, refusal to leverage the rejection of the genocide in gaza, this with the report show an unwillingness to do anything, not an incapability.
the government shut down was gaining political traction and leverage with the progressive vote for progressive candidates. they _immediately _ abandoned all leverage once this was clear, and gave in to all republican demands signaling that progressive control was more dangerous to party control.
He has literally talked about the end goal being Communism. He’s an ML.
This is largely an opinion peice, and also does not draw the conclusion that Democrats lost because they didn’t cater to MLs
Cool opinion
I didn’t say dems are perfect, or haven’t been dropping the ball.
I’m making the case that courting someone who’s goal is to promote communism and who’s anti-liberal views are completely at odds with the party is obviously not of interest or a good move for the Dems.
my argument have never been that the democrats needed to interface at all with Hassan, but they are spending their efforts into attacking him as a further battle against the growing progressive base. this includes astro turfing false narratives against him that you have brought up.
my point is that they are not merely dropping the ball, that they are making a concerted effort to court the right and fighting to prevent progressives from gaining sway over the party.
the argument that the report is an “opinion” is in bad faith. its methodology is sound, its conclusions are measurable and it corllates to democratic actions in giving up the shutdown. and is backed by the establishment actively attempting to suppress it
these are not dropping the ball, this is a pattern of internal alignment with the republicans over their own base.
i don’t care at all about Hasan. he’s not running for office, he is just some face that is saying more progressive talking points, and is getting screen time for it.
if your TRUE argument is that the progressive base ideology is incompatible with the establishment democrat position… then yes i agree.
at that point, the democrats have a choice. they make concessions with their own fucking base or voter apathy rises. they already failed in an election with hitler, and their key take away was that they need to meet the republican voter where he stands. they can do that with out me. but i doubt they can do that and win an election.
when trump violates human rights, schumer wags his finger and sends a polite rebuke.
when a progressive candidate runs, the entire establishment pulls out their wallet and evey under handed bullshit to undermine their own party!
when progressive ideals pass on a state level ballot, they sue to stop it.
so fuck them
Any evidence that voter apathy due to the Dems not being ML enough is costing them elections?
i don’t know but i can sure as hell deal without the constant bitching and moaning that the conscientious objectors and the non voting left costing the democrats the election. if you don’t feel that the progressives have the numbers, you will have to take that up with the democratic party messaging, and the result of the leaked internal investigation into the loss of the presidential election and the loss of the mayor election to Zohran Mamdani.
but you can’t argue that the democrats havn’t lost on their ground.
Man, you’re really all over the place.
So you think Dems need to court MLs to win elections, but you can’t actually back that up with anything. But that if they don’t, they are wasting effort and not doing their job.
What a mess of an opinion.
it’s pretty straight forward
first, not ml’s, progressives.
second, they need the more votes, and courting the right is insufficient. that’s backed by their internal report, and their losses with their preferred candidates.
third, they are not doing their job because they do not counter the republican party. they waste their time instead maintaining power of corporate democrats
these are all consistent
Hasan is an open ML, and you’re saying the Dems need people sharing his views to get votes.
Source?
Do not counter the Republican party how? They don’t have the seats…
https://lemmy.world/post/45610837
the government shut down was gaining political traction and leverage with the progressive vote for progressive candidates. they _immediately _ abandoned all leverage once this was clear, and gave in to all republican demands signaling that progressive control was more dangerous to party control.
I didn’t say dems are perfect, or haven’t been dropping the ball.
I’m making the case that courting someone who’s goal is to promote communism and who’s anti-liberal views are completely at odds with the party is obviously not of interest or a good move for the Dems.
my argument have never been that the democrats needed to interface at all with Hassan, but they are spending their efforts into attacking him as a further battle against the growing progressive base. this includes astro turfing false narratives against him that you have brought up.
my point is that they are not merely dropping the ball, that they are making a concerted effort to court the right and fighting to prevent progressives from gaining sway over the party.
the argument that the report is an “opinion” is in bad faith. its methodology is sound, its conclusions are measurable and it corllates to democratic actions in giving up the shutdown. and is backed by the establishment actively attempting to suppress it
these are not dropping the ball, this is a pattern of internal alignment with the republicans over their own base.