It’s so odd to me how this guy has some of the most diehard fans on the internet. Like Hasan is literal multimillionaire streamer who doesn’t give two shits about you, why do you defend him so hard? You’re not even willing to consider the possibility that some of the criticism against him might be valid, you’re just dismissing it all as disinfo, and that’s absolutely wild to me.
I’m not even really a diehard fan. I don’t subscribe to his Twitch. Never paid him any money. Never have attempted to chat with him or commented on any of his videos… I will say - just based off his publicly verifiable actions, he seems to “give a shit” about the wellbeing of non-millionaires way more than CNN and MSNBC anchors do. Certainly a shitload more than my state’s senators do. Certainly more than the president does of any Americans… or Hell… any of his supporters… shit… or the president does probably of any of the president’s own family.
And in this day, I figure if I’m gonna get news from a handful of sources, I’d much rather get it from folks whose actions have demonstrated an objectively more favorable view of policies that align to my interests moreso than 90% of the news media and politicians out there.
What seems odd to me is that - because I can point to media anyone can watch for and verify for themselves all while you and several others continue to mischaracterize this guy as an animal abuser, or an anti-Semite, and other absurd easily debunked claims - somehow we are supposed to pretend that simply pointing that out makes people “die-hard fans?”
Hasan Piker isn’t some saint, but he seems to use at least some sizeable portion of his wealth to give voices to people who are not otherwise given a large platform… or those running for office who - as far as you can reasonably believe - would attempt to improve the material conditions of the overwhelming majority of NON-rich people…
Yet all you want to focus on is debunked dog shock memes mostly peddled by fans of far more problematic streamers as if they are true, or on the dude’s wealth that he acquires mostly through just streaming… not hocking bullshit… not shitty supplements, or by peddling misinformation or crypto / gambling schemes, or shitty snack foods and hyper-caffeinated drinks.
I DID consider the possibility once that the guy shocked his dog… but I’ve seen enough videos of him absolutely loving the shit out of her and walking with her and him holding her in his lap and calling friends he asked to babysit her when he was out of town just to check in on her to know that he’s not a dog abuser.
As far as I have seen, Hasan never has raised a hand at Kaya, and if he did, you would see her wince when he reached for her any one of the thousands of times he’s put his hands toward her.
I’ve seen abused dogs. That dog is not one of them. She is treated like royalty.
In summary - there seems to be a lot of bullshit out there about this guy. If you’ve got something real to share that you think is truly convincing that this guy is a real piece of shit - other than fake dog shock outrage memes, the “America deserved 9-11” clip, or the “ah I see you are rich, but if you were truly of the left, you would be poor!” critique that one webcomic makes fun of with the “we should improve society somewhat” well goblin gag, please share.
Otherwise, I think I’ve wasted way too much of my free time attempting to rebut all of the seemingly bad faith claims made by those who refuse to either engage in the video evidence provided, or have yet to reply back with any citable video or other sort of proof to further back up any of the pretty dubious claims made regarding how supposedly terrible this guy Hasan Piker is.
You wouldn’t write this novel sized comment if this was the case lol
he seems to “give a shit” about the wellbeing of non-millionaires way more than CNN and MSNBC anchors do. Certainly a shitload more than my state’s senators do. Certainly more than the president does of any Americans
How does this in any way disprove my point that he doesn’t give a shit about what people say about hime online both positive and negative?
I’d much rather get it from folks whose actions have demonstrated an objectively more favorable view of policies that align to my interests moreso than 90% of the news media and politicians out there.
This is horrible lol. Credibility of news should depend on their accuracy and objectivity, not how much they align with your preexisting news. What you’re describing here is just confirmation bias.
because I can point to media anyone can watch for and verify for themselves all while you and several others continue to mischaracterize this guy as an animal abuser, or an anti-Semite, and other absurd easily debunked claims
What in the fuck are you even talking about? What does this have to do with what I said? You choose to make up criticisms that neither I nor anybody else here made, and then wrote paragraphs upon paragraphs “debunking” them. The only thing you proved here is that you’re cartoonish caricature of the type of person I’m criticizing.
Why does him being a “multi millionaire” mean I have to hate him? In today’s world that’s just owning a successful small business. Not the filthy rich Scrooge McDuck kinda shit you’re implying it is.
I was just making the point that Hasan is in it for himself. This is clearly his business and he’s raking in the cash because of it. He does not care about how people online view him or what criticisms people have of him. That’s why I find it weird that he has all these ride or die stans who are willing to wear their shining armor and go to great lengths to defend him on online forums against any and all criticism, no matter how valid.
You’re just projecting. I had the most lukewarm take there is, which is that rich internet celebrities don’t care about what people say about them online. You’re over here putting on your knight armor defending him at every turn for no reason. Like come on
As far as political streamers with fanbases under 30, he’s one of the few alternatives to the manosphere types and groypers. People can have a kneejerk reaction to defend someone those groups routinely target.
Is this not just the the lesser of two evils argument? It isn’t as convincing to me when it’s about political streamers that you voluntarily choose to consume in your free time vs consequential national elections with candidates who you had little influence in choosing.
Sure. Nothing is really stopping anyone from doing that when judging a content creator. If you’re deep into wondering why he’s got so many defenders and attackers online though: he’s political. People get wrapped up in that.
That’s actually the point I’m trying to make. The person I’m replying to is trying to dismiss ALL criticisms against Hasan as disinformation, which I think is absolutely ridiculous as it’s based in the notion that no valid criticisms can exist against this guy.
It’s so odd to me how this guy has some of the most diehard fans on the internet. Like Hasan is literal multimillionaire streamer who doesn’t give two shits about you, why do you defend him so hard? You’re not even willing to consider the possibility that some of the criticism against him might be valid, you’re just dismissing it all as disinfo, and that’s absolutely wild to me.
I’m not even really a diehard fan. I don’t subscribe to his Twitch. Never paid him any money. Never have attempted to chat with him or commented on any of his videos… I will say - just based off his publicly verifiable actions, he seems to “give a shit” about the wellbeing of non-millionaires way more than CNN and MSNBC anchors do. Certainly a shitload more than my state’s senators do. Certainly more than the president does of any Americans… or Hell… any of his supporters… shit… or the president does probably of any of the president’s own family.
And in this day, I figure if I’m gonna get news from a handful of sources, I’d much rather get it from folks whose actions have demonstrated an objectively more favorable view of policies that align to my interests moreso than 90% of the news media and politicians out there.
What seems odd to me is that - because I can point to media anyone can watch for and verify for themselves all while you and several others continue to mischaracterize this guy as an animal abuser, or an anti-Semite, and other absurd easily debunked claims - somehow we are supposed to pretend that simply pointing that out makes people “die-hard fans?”
Hasan Piker isn’t some saint, but he seems to use at least some sizeable portion of his wealth to give voices to people who are not otherwise given a large platform… or those running for office who - as far as you can reasonably believe - would attempt to improve the material conditions of the overwhelming majority of NON-rich people…
Yet all you want to focus on is debunked dog shock memes mostly peddled by fans of far more problematic streamers as if they are true, or on the dude’s wealth that he acquires mostly through just streaming… not hocking bullshit… not shitty supplements, or by peddling misinformation or crypto / gambling schemes, or shitty snack foods and hyper-caffeinated drinks.
I DID consider the possibility once that the guy shocked his dog… but I’ve seen enough videos of him absolutely loving the shit out of her and walking with her and him holding her in his lap and calling friends he asked to babysit her when he was out of town just to check in on her to know that he’s not a dog abuser.
As far as I have seen, Hasan never has raised a hand at Kaya, and if he did, you would see her wince when he reached for her any one of the thousands of times he’s put his hands toward her.
I’ve seen abused dogs. That dog is not one of them. She is treated like royalty.
In summary - there seems to be a lot of bullshit out there about this guy. If you’ve got something real to share that you think is truly convincing that this guy is a real piece of shit - other than fake dog shock outrage memes, the “America deserved 9-11” clip, or the “ah I see you are rich, but if you were truly of the left, you would be poor!” critique that one webcomic makes fun of with the “we should improve society somewhat” well goblin gag, please share.
Otherwise, I think I’ve wasted way too much of my free time attempting to rebut all of the seemingly bad faith claims made by those who refuse to either engage in the video evidence provided, or have yet to reply back with any citable video or other sort of proof to further back up any of the pretty dubious claims made regarding how supposedly terrible this guy Hasan Piker is.
You wouldn’t write this novel sized comment if this was the case lol
How does this in any way disprove my point that he doesn’t give a shit about what people say about hime online both positive and negative?
This is horrible lol. Credibility of news should depend on their accuracy and objectivity, not how much they align with your preexisting news. What you’re describing here is just confirmation bias.
What in the fuck are you even talking about? What does this have to do with what I said? You choose to make up criticisms that neither I nor anybody else here made, and then wrote paragraphs upon paragraphs “debunking” them. The only thing you proved here is that you’re cartoonish caricature of the type of person I’m criticizing.
Why does him being a “multi millionaire” mean I have to hate him? In today’s world that’s just owning a successful small business. Not the filthy rich Scrooge McDuck kinda shit you’re implying it is.
I was just making the point that Hasan is in it for himself. This is clearly his business and he’s raking in the cash because of it. He does not care about how people online view him or what criticisms people have of him. That’s why I find it weird that he has all these ride or die stans who are willing to wear their shining armor and go to great lengths to defend him on online forums against any and all criticism, no matter how valid.
Nah I think you’re just either arguing for the sake of having an argument or you’re one of those people that have a hate boner for the guy.
You’re just projecting. I had the most lukewarm take there is, which is that rich internet celebrities don’t care about what people say about them online. You’re over here putting on your knight armor defending him at every turn for no reason. Like come on
You’ve made a metric fuck tonne of hateboner posts on this thread.
I’m defending streaming in general as a job because I know it can be stressful and draining.
I don’t give a shit about Hassan himself, but he’s right about streaming being soul sucking.
As far as political streamers with fanbases under 30, he’s one of the few alternatives to the manosphere types and groypers. People can have a kneejerk reaction to defend someone those groups routinely target.
Is this not just the the lesser of two evils argument? It isn’t as convincing to me when it’s about political streamers that you voluntarily choose to consume in your free time vs consequential national elections with candidates who you had little influence in choosing.
There’s not a lesser of two evils argument there, so it makes sense it’d be unconvincing.
This is more of a ‘judge him by his enemies’ type thing.
Wouldn’t it make more sense to judge him on his own merits rather than the merits of his perceived enemies?
Sure. Nothing is really stopping anyone from doing that when judging a content creator. If you’re deep into wondering why he’s got so many defenders and attackers online though: he’s political. People get wrapped up in that.
You’re not willing to understand confirmation bias lol.
Why shouldn’t we strive towards the truth?
That’s actually the point I’m trying to make. The person I’m replying to is trying to dismiss ALL criticisms against Hasan as disinformation, which I think is absolutely ridiculous as it’s based in the notion that no valid criticisms can exist against this guy.