Salvia isn’t unpleasant if that’s what you mean… it’s also not particularly pleasant. It’s very remarkable in its absolute neutrality imo. It is an experience you can choose to have.
But also worth mentioning that everyone here (including me) has probably only smoked it. Indigenous users in Oaxaca kind of press the leaves against their gums which makes for a more chill and gradual experience. The particular shaman (I think that would be her title?) shown in the Hamilton’s Pharmacopia episode on salvia said that salvia does not like being exposed to fire, I think she may have even said that the goddess or spirit considers it disrespectful.
I’m obviously going off memory here so watch the episode if you’re interested in salvia. It’s very good. If you (like most people) don’t have access to fresh salvia leaves, you can find tinctures online which are probably the closest approximation (assuming it’s legal in your area, but it generally is).
I loved mushrooms and acid, salvia was terrible. It’s super short and super intense. You may think “well it’s just 5 minutes” but it will not feel like 5 min. If you’re looking to expand your mind, mushrooms and acid are great. If you want to slice your brain in half and put the two halves in two separate dimensions with no personal introspection to speak of, try salvia.
I have broken through on DMT but I don’t think I’ve ever broken through on salvia.
I promise you salvia is weirder.
Firstly DMT is a serotonergic psychedelic. It acts on the same receptors as psilocybin and (if I’m not mistaken) LSD. It’s euphoric, your body may freak out because it thinks it’s dying as it separates from your consciousness temporarily, but ultimately you still physically feel good when you are aware of your physical being.
Salvia is an atypical hallucinogen. It’s generally not considered a proper (or at least classic) psychedelic like DMT, shrooms, mescaline, LSD, etc, or even newer substances like 2C-B. It’s also not considered a deliriant like datura or DPH. It is a secret third thing. It’s a hallucinogenic compound which acts on opioid receptors but is entirely non-addictive. It allegedly has a reverse tolerance, meaning the more you use it over time, the more it hits you. I’ve heard it described as “dysphoric”, so opposite of euphoric, but I would strongly disagree with that - it doesn’t feel bad. I’d almost want to call it “aphoric”, which isn’t a real word lol so may not be linguistically correct, but essentially it doesn’t feel, period. You don’t feel like you have a body.
DMT feels like you’re leaving your body but your consciousness remains a distinct vessel that is sort of witnessing the grandeur of reality’s architecture (at least at the dose I experienced); salvia feels like your consciousness is dissolving into the world around you along with your body.
And I haven’t even properly broken through! I’ve felt immobile and had full-on hallucinations but I still don’t feel it was a real breakthrough. And I’m not particularly in a rush to do so either, even though I have plenty of salvia on hand lol
Just consume a sensible dose, and you will likely have a DMT-esque psychedelic experience. Most salvia stories you hear are from people who just bought an insanely concentrated blend, packed their bong full, and then took an enormous rip as if it was just weed, paying no mind to the fact that they are consuming 10x as much of the active ingredient as necessary for a proper dose, leading to them getting unzipped and becoming the letter B for ten minutes that feels like hours.
I love DMT. I have yet to try salvia. I’m still partially grounded with DMT but it’s like a full meditation experience. I have thoughts during and after. I hear salvia is so different.
Ime, it was a difficult and scary trip to say the least, mostly because while you’re ‘in there’ you lose even a sense of being a human that just got high.
But I’ve had a few really blissful experiences with it too that left me happy and clear headed for 2 weeks after the hit. To give this a chance, I found that going in nature, sitting in meditation at least for half an hour before the hit and going into it in a really calm state of mind helped a lot. It’s quite unforgiving substance and demands proper attitude.
What still interests me is to try chewing fresh leaves as indigenous people in Mexico do it originally.
Salvias the only one I’ve yet to cross off my bucket list
I do not deem it very spiritually valuable. You’re missing a wild ride but not any character development
As others have said, don’t waste your time on it. Ultimately an unfun drug.
Disagree, sort of.
Salvia isn’t unpleasant if that’s what you mean… it’s also not particularly pleasant. It’s very remarkable in its absolute neutrality imo. It is an experience you can choose to have.
But also worth mentioning that everyone here (including me) has probably only smoked it. Indigenous users in Oaxaca kind of press the leaves against their gums which makes for a more chill and gradual experience. The particular shaman (I think that would be her title?) shown in the Hamilton’s Pharmacopia episode on salvia said that salvia does not like being exposed to fire, I think she may have even said that the goddess or spirit considers it disrespectful.
I’m obviously going off memory here so watch the episode if you’re interested in salvia. It’s very good. If you (like most people) don’t have access to fresh salvia leaves, you can find tinctures online which are probably the closest approximation (assuming it’s legal in your area, but it generally is).
It’s still legal in some places I believe. It’s fucking wild too so have someone on standby to keep you grounded. Literally.
+1, always have a tripsitter
I loved mushrooms and acid, salvia was terrible. It’s super short and super intense. You may think “well it’s just 5 minutes” but it will not feel like 5 min. If you’re looking to expand your mind, mushrooms and acid are great. If you want to slice your brain in half and put the two halves in two separate dimensions with no personal introspection to speak of, try salvia.
That just sounds like DMT tbh, If I can handle that I think I can handle salvia lol
I have broken through on DMT but I don’t think I’ve ever broken through on salvia.
I promise you salvia is weirder.
Firstly DMT is a serotonergic psychedelic. It acts on the same receptors as psilocybin and (if I’m not mistaken) LSD. It’s euphoric, your body may freak out because it thinks it’s dying as it separates from your consciousness temporarily, but ultimately you still physically feel good when you are aware of your physical being.
Salvia is an atypical hallucinogen. It’s generally not considered a proper (or at least classic) psychedelic like DMT, shrooms, mescaline, LSD, etc, or even newer substances like 2C-B. It’s also not considered a deliriant like datura or DPH. It is a secret third thing. It’s a hallucinogenic compound which acts on opioid receptors but is entirely non-addictive. It allegedly has a reverse tolerance, meaning the more you use it over time, the more it hits you. I’ve heard it described as “dysphoric”, so opposite of euphoric, but I would strongly disagree with that - it doesn’t feel bad. I’d almost want to call it “aphoric”, which isn’t a real word lol so may not be linguistically correct, but essentially it doesn’t feel, period. You don’t feel like you have a body.
DMT feels like you’re leaving your body but your consciousness remains a distinct vessel that is sort of witnessing the grandeur of reality’s architecture (at least at the dose I experienced); salvia feels like your consciousness is dissolving into the world around you along with your body.
And I haven’t even properly broken through! I’ve felt immobile and had full-on hallucinations but I still don’t feel it was a real breakthrough. And I’m not particularly in a rush to do so either, even though I have plenty of salvia on hand lol
Just consume a sensible dose, and you will likely have a DMT-esque psychedelic experience. Most salvia stories you hear are from people who just bought an insanely concentrated blend, packed their bong full, and then took an enormous rip as if it was just weed, paying no mind to the fact that they are consuming 10x as much of the active ingredient as necessary for a proper dose, leading to them getting unzipped and becoming the letter B for ten minutes that feels like hours.
This, I always extensively research on erowid before I try new things, I ain’t no cub scout folks don’t worry
I love DMT. I have yet to try salvia. I’m still partially grounded with DMT but it’s like a full meditation experience. I have thoughts during and after. I hear salvia is so different.
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It’s terrible, truly awful. Don’t don’t don’t try it
Ime, it was a difficult and scary trip to say the least, mostly because while you’re ‘in there’ you lose even a sense of being a human that just got high.
But I’ve had a few really blissful experiences with it too that left me happy and clear headed for 2 weeks after the hit. To give this a chance, I found that going in nature, sitting in meditation at least for half an hour before the hit and going into it in a really calm state of mind helped a lot. It’s quite unforgiving substance and demands proper attitude.
What still interests me is to try chewing fresh leaves as indigenous people in Mexico do it originally.
do more drugs.
Mythbusters: Is meth really all that bad for you?