Objects can’t consent at all and they never could, permission from an object to act on it sounds exactly like why the right think the left has gone crazy.
Biology and philosophy absolutely do not disagree. Some parts of philosophy, yes. Biologically they are a pile of complex organic matter that is unbinding.
What do you mean never? When they were alive they could consent. Why does that change when they die? Just because someone is incapacitated through death, doesn’t give us the right to rape them. When consent is not given it is presumed you don’t have it.
When alive, the body was a person. They are not incapacitated through death, they dead. Gone. The person ceases to be and only the object and memories remain.
And calling people objects is why the right is crazy.
If a person drowns and has no heartbeat, is it okay for you to have a quickie with them before the paramedics arrive to save him? Clinically they’re dead, so… by your logic, they’re an object, and never had the ability to consent in the first place, so quickly fucking them up the arse should be a-okay, right?
Or is there like a timer you have for when a person goes from a person to an object, which then retroactively never had personhood anyway? Is it just time, or is it temperature, or as soon as the smell sets in? Some people have been clinically dead for half an hour in cold water before being resuscitated, the cold helping protect from brain damage. And some people smell like dead bodies while alive.
The object never has agency. The person does. This edge case is a fine one, but only suggests that the person is dormant, not gone, and can be returned to life. If a body is in a morgue for a week, that ain’t going to be a possibility.
Yeah. People aren’t objects. Even if human remains were, you’d have a hard time arguing when a person stops existing without “well once they’ve rotted for a week, they’re definitely not alive.” yeah no shit
Again, too vague, and you still have the problem of when.
Also, Google “man wakes up in morgue”, you’ll find tons of documented cases of people waking up at the morgue, because someone was mistaken about them being dead.
Things like that is why necrophilia is generally frowned upon. Even necrophiles probably wouldn’t like to fuck the bodies which are every clearly dead, as in, say, a bloated corpse recovered from water. There’s no mistaking whether someone like that is dead or not.
But someone at the morgue who’s been there less than 24 hours is still possibly alive and definitely a “they” and not an “it”.
Objects can’t consent at all and they never could, permission from an object to act on it sounds exactly like why the right think the left has gone crazy.
Biology, legality and philosophy all disagree with your assertion that a dead body is equivalent to random inanimate objects.
It’s human remains. A deceased individual. A corpse. You do not get to treat it on the same level as a shoe.
Biology and philosophy absolutely do not disagree. Some parts of philosophy, yes. Biologically they are a pile of complex organic matter that is unbinding.
What do you mean never? When they were alive they could consent. Why does that change when they die? Just because someone is incapacitated through death, doesn’t give us the right to rape them. When consent is not given it is presumed you don’t have it.
When alive, the body was a person. They are not incapacitated through death, they dead. Gone. The person ceases to be and only the object and memories remain.
Notice how you use the pronoun “they” for what you said is now an object.
“They” is referring to the person.
And calling people objects is why the right is crazy.
If a person drowns and has no heartbeat, is it okay for you to have a quickie with them before the paramedics arrive to save him? Clinically they’re dead, so… by your logic, they’re an object, and never had the ability to consent in the first place, so quickly fucking them up the arse should be a-okay, right?
Or is there like a timer you have for when a person goes from a person to an object, which then retroactively never had personhood anyway? Is it just time, or is it temperature, or as soon as the smell sets in? Some people have been clinically dead for half an hour in cold water before being resuscitated, the cold helping protect from brain damage. And some people smell like dead bodies while alive.
I’m just curious as to your personal criteria.
The object never has agency. The person does. This edge case is a fine one, but only suggests that the person is dormant, not gone, and can be returned to life. If a body is in a morgue for a week, that ain’t going to be a possibility.
Yeah. People aren’t objects. Even if human remains were, you’d have a hard time arguing when a person stops existing without “well once they’ve rotted for a week, they’re definitely not alive.” yeah no shit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorites_paradox
The person isn’t an object but the body, specifically, definitely is.
Again, too vague, and you still have the problem of when.
Also, Google “man wakes up in morgue”, you’ll find tons of documented cases of people waking up at the morgue, because someone was mistaken about them being dead.
Things like that is why necrophilia is generally frowned upon. Even necrophiles probably wouldn’t like to fuck the bodies which are every clearly dead, as in, say, a bloated corpse recovered from water. There’s no mistaking whether someone like that is dead or not.
But someone at the morgue who’s been there less than 24 hours is still possibly alive and definitely a “they” and not an “it”.