This conversation is a waste of time no matter how much of a nazi Elon is.
This is what the sky would be like in the majority of science fiction. If you want space exploration, there will be space infrastructure, and as time goes on that infrastructure will increase both in amount and size, not to mention the traffic to and from.
It is like complaining about the clutter of the marina while wanting to explore the ocean.
I’d almost understand where you’re coming from but most of us can’t afford a ship to explore, a slip in the marina, or even a property/room on the shore. For some of us, staring out at the ocean & capturing images from land is all we have. There’s gotta be a better way that doesn’t ruin it for the majority.
Nothing is being transported via constellation satellites that wasn’t already paid for by the American people (and then not delivered on).
Why would we want our infrastructure to be the most polluting expensive version (with shit latency BTW so you can’t selfhost), in control of basically one asshole billionaire who will gleefully censor whatever he feels like, after a critical mass of dependency has been reached?
Are you glad we put our communication into such a restrictive model under a monopoly that’s cozy with a fascist government?
Stop lying to yourself and others that this was “the most efficient outcome”.
Why would we want our infrastructure to be the most polluting expensive version (with shit latency BTW so you can’t selfhost), in control of basically one asshole billionaire who will gleefully censor whatever he feels like, after a critical mass of dependency has been reached?
Stop lying to yourself and others that this was “the most efficient outcome”.
NASA has tried to build their own rockets for i think 30(?) years. Like the space shuttle. The ship was expensive. Reusability never delivered on its promise to make things cheaper, instead it made them more complicated and more expensive when NASA tried. that was the public sector, it was attempted. Then SpaceX came and somehow managed to build rockets that were both reusable and cheaper than non-reusable rockets.
So yes, that’s not an ideological adherence to capitalism or anything, just plain data, that SpaceX is simply more efficient than NASA was able to be. With building rockets i mean.
Orbital data enters aren’t happening. A million starlinks aren’t happening. And musk will eventually die. I’m only defending a reasonable size of constellation.
People want houses, that doesn’t mean they want forests clear cut.
Similarly people want space exploration, that doesn’t mean they want to speedrun Kessler syndrome.
The infrastructure isn’t the only issue here. Its the fact that this is being done by a corporation owned by a nazi, with many other companies looking to compete. So instead of having one set of LEO satellites, we’ll have several.
If this was actually used to benefit humanity the light pollution caused by this would be understandable and minimized. But this isn’t being done in a sustainable way, or owned by the people.
And that’s all before considering the detrement to the environment from these satellites constantly burning up in the upper atmosphere.
And with all that said, this isn’t space exploration, and it isnt the type of space infrastructure that would aid exploration. Actual exploration doesn’t need thousands, hundreds of thousands, or millions of these tiny satellites aimed only at Earth.
This conversation is a waste of time no matter how much of a nazi Elon is.
This is what the sky would be like in the majority of science fiction. If you want space exploration, there will be space infrastructure, and as time goes on that infrastructure will increase both in amount and size, not to mention the traffic to and from.
It is like complaining about the clutter of the marina while wanting to explore the ocean.
I’d almost understand where you’re coming from but most of us can’t afford a ship to explore, a slip in the marina, or even a property/room on the shore. For some of us, staring out at the ocean & capturing images from land is all we have. There’s gotta be a better way that doesn’t ruin it for the majority.
Well said.
I can’t afford a boat, but I benefit from the goods and food that they transport.
Nothing is being transported via constellation satellites that wasn’t already paid for by the American people (and then not delivered on).
Why would we want our infrastructure to be the most polluting expensive version (with shit latency BTW so you can’t selfhost), in control of basically one asshole billionaire who will gleefully censor whatever he feels like, after a critical mass of dependency has been reached?
Are you glad we put our communication into such a restrictive model under a monopoly that’s cozy with a fascist government?
Stop lying to yourself and others that this was “the most efficient outcome”.
NASA has tried to build their own rockets for i think 30(?) years. Like the space shuttle. The ship was expensive. Reusability never delivered on its promise to make things cheaper, instead it made them more complicated and more expensive when NASA tried. that was the public sector, it was attempted. Then SpaceX came and somehow managed to build rockets that were both reusable and cheaper than non-reusable rockets.
So yes, that’s not an ideological adherence to capitalism or anything, just plain data, that SpaceX is simply more efficient than NASA was able to be. With building rockets i mean.
Orbital data enters aren’t happening. A million starlinks aren’t happening. And musk will eventually die. I’m only defending a reasonable size of constellation.
People want houses, that doesn’t mean they want forests clear cut.
Similarly people want space exploration, that doesn’t mean they want to speedrun Kessler syndrome.
The infrastructure isn’t the only issue here. Its the fact that this is being done by a corporation owned by a nazi, with many other companies looking to compete. So instead of having one set of LEO satellites, we’ll have several.
If this was actually used to benefit humanity the light pollution caused by this would be understandable and minimized. But this isn’t being done in a sustainable way, or owned by the people.
And that’s all before considering the detrement to the environment from these satellites constantly burning up in the upper atmosphere.
And with all that said, this isn’t space exploration, and it isnt the type of space infrastructure that would aid exploration. Actual exploration doesn’t need thousands, hundreds of thousands, or millions of these tiny satellites aimed only at Earth.
Can we even get spaceships put if they are a million of those satellites on spaces?
Space is very big. A million is nothing in the grand scheme of things like launching at a specific point.
The people that are doing the actual space exploration aren’t even effected by it!
If all we pick up out of the ocean is flotsam from the marina we’ll get the wrong idea about what’s in the ocean.