• insurrection@mstdn.social
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    13 hours ago

    “Vegetables don’t care if they die, but animals do. Animals don’t like dying.”

    there simply isn’t proof for claims like this

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            13 hours ago

            we have something we haven’t been able to prove exists in any other animal: knowledge that we, ourselves, might die. animal cognitive behaviorists call this understanding personal mortality, and every time they get close to it, I’ve seen them go out of their way to say they don’t have proof any other animal understands personal mortality.

            if you have an animal cognitive behavioral study that claims otherwise, I’d be happy to read it.

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              12 hours ago

              An animal doesn’t need to understand dying in order to dislike it. You can just repeatedly stab a dog until it dies, and it will voice its displeasure. I’ve never done that, but I understand the science is quite firm on the matter.

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                  12 hours ago

                  Fortunately, I already moved the goalposts beyond the need for understanding. I said they don’t like dying, I didn’t say squat about understanding dying.

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                    12 hours ago

                    if you want to just live in your feelings about this instead of relying on the science, I can’t stop you. but anyone else who reads this should understand that what you claimed simply isn’t scientific fact.