right mate, I am sure you can draw any equivalences with bestiality and such yourself, so I won’t explicate on them. I just want to say, you don’t have to defend the man-made horrors within our comprehension of animal product industries if you don’t want to be a vegan. I am not a vegan, because I can’t afford to. You can just say “that shit’s fucked up”.
There is a lot of horrible things in animal agriculture, this one isn’t really one of them. I’ve seen the process with my own eyes … the cows don’t care, they barley notice. I feel more for the people who have to do that professionally.
Even ‘Law & Order’ series has the understanding broadcasted that raped women can feel sexual pleasure during the rape, does not mean they want the act or consented at any time.
There is a lot of horrible things in animal agriculture, this one isn’t really one of them. I’ve seen the process with my own eyes … the cows don’t care, they barley notice. I feel more for the people who have to do that professionally.
I live in a Unincorporated (important to hiding the truth of practices, add rodeo training to all of what we are talking about) & Ag. area (I could never really say it is a community, though before the realization I used to, few care about each other), but I have never seen the practice first hand, no sick pun here.
Just factually be given what the procedure of sticking almost one’s entire arm in the cow’s body (not for the cows’ health is bad enough, but does not stop there) is, even can be understood through Public Media’s ‘Creatures Great & Small’, done a ton there is enough. It is like we cannot avoid the country lifestyle, which supports other Beings abuse like this, since 2000s (even more so accepted, than before).
Ok, but what does this have to do with the law & order comment? Because inseminating a cow isn’t sexual assault or rape and I’ve never implied that the cows feel pleasure from it.
Just that the cows don’t really seem to mind it. So I’d question that it even should be considered animal abuse.
You are the expert on cows expressions & emotions? NO
Plus just because we are not looking for their intelligence or maybe, even cannot test for it- which totally disagree, does not mean it does not exist. I would say ask a Indian (not a indigenous person, though their believes in other beings are also important to this discussion), but that leads into religions.
You are the expert on cows expressions & emotions?
Nope, that’s why I’m sure as hell not getting behind a cow or horse and putting my hand up any hole. But apparently the people that do that know their emotions well enough to know they aren’t about to get a hoof to the forehead, so these experts do exist.
I think it really depends where you live and what your lifestyle demands of you.
Where I live, meat is on sale a lot at supermarkets, lots of frozen food meals have meat in, and people might not have time to shop for ingredients or even to cook all the time - which i presume is the key to making veganism cheaper.
If you want to convicne people veganism is cheaper then you have to unfortunately (for you) “spell it out for them” - e.g give examples of vegan meals against meat meals, tell us where you’re shopping.
Almost every person that are not Vegan just do not get this. Even back in the day, it was more costly to be mainstream eating/not all food homemade Vegan, with unhealthy processed foods industries. Plus the side effects (physical-social & Etc.) of horrible health causes are extremely costly.
1st. I understand why you might believe that wrong, based upon second answer. Everything born-living has Rights, simply because of birth-existence, somethings are not technically birthed into this world. It is more of a reflection upon those do not accept that fact.
By the way, the most powerful thing, outside of universal forces, are all our minds & together they even more powerful.
You think we should be free to do whatever with Bacteria after running-out of protections against problems, because of over use of the “good” ones, COVID-19 & IT’s VARANTS & 'The Crazy Don’s Administration- Like RFK Jr.?
I was saying yes things, like bacteria, we cannot see need more rights, restrictions on our stupid manipulations of them, against our & Living Earth’s & All Living Beings’ healths.
Well, we just have to agree to disagree. I think nothing had any rights before humans invented the concept. And even now, any right that can’t or isn’t being enforced is pretty much useless and not more valuable than a wish.
By the way, the powerful thing, outside of universal forces are all our minds & together they even more powerful.
Well, considering that humanity would be totally helpless against universal forces, like a super volcano or a gamma ray burst, it suggests that all our minds are pretty weak in the over-all schema of things.
I disagree with you, obviously, but it can never be accepted, because it is worse than any sickness-crimes our species on our species has ever been done. The scale of it is unbelievable & just a sign of species (in general, obviously) sickness. Just the scale, WOW!!!
Yes, the way it should be- especially, with potentially spreading ourselves to other worlds/‘Global Warming’ extinction event first (keep reading), we are in the way/overpopulation-overdensity-caring very little for The Living Earth & The Living Beings (even members of our own species). Correct me if I a wrong, but some Earth bound universal forces are manipulatable by us.
Unless that women is a literal cow, yes.
right mate, I am sure you can draw any equivalences with bestiality and such yourself, so I won’t explicate on them. I just want to say, you don’t have to defend the man-made horrors within our comprehension of animal product industries if you don’t want to be a vegan. I am not a vegan, because I can’t afford to. You can just say “that shit’s fucked up”.
There is a lot of horrible things in animal agriculture, this one isn’t really one of them. I’ve seen the process with my own eyes … the cows don’t care, they barley notice. I feel more for the people who have to do that professionally.
Even ‘Law & Order’ series has the understanding broadcasted that raped women can feel sexual pleasure during the rape, does not mean they want the act or consented at any time.
WTF are you even talking about? I’ve haven’t said or implied anything of the like.
There is a lot of horrible things in animal agriculture, this one isn’t really one of them. I’ve seen the process with my own eyes … the cows don’t care, they barley notice. I feel more for the people who have to do that professionally.
I live in a Unincorporated (important to hiding the truth of practices, add rodeo training to all of what we are talking about) & Ag. area (I could never really say it is a community, though before the realization I used to, few care about each other), but I have never seen the practice first hand, no sick pun here.
Just factually be given what the procedure of sticking almost one’s entire arm in the cow’s body (not for the cows’ health is bad enough, but does not stop there) is, even can be understood through Public Media’s ‘Creatures Great & Small’, done a ton there is enough. It is like we cannot avoid the country lifestyle, which supports other Beings abuse like this, since 2000s (even more so accepted, than before).
Ok, but what does this have to do with the law & order comment? Because inseminating a cow isn’t sexual assault or rape and I’ve never implied that the cows feel pleasure from it.
Just that the cows don’t really seem to mind it. So I’d question that it even should be considered animal abuse.
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You are the expert on cows expressions & emotions? NO Plus just because we are not looking for their intelligence or maybe, even cannot test for it- which totally disagree, does not mean it does not exist. I would say ask a Indian (not a indigenous person, though their believes in other beings are also important to this discussion), but that leads into religions.
Nope, that’s why I’m sure as hell not getting behind a cow or horse and putting my hand up any hole. But apparently the people that do that know their emotions well enough to know they aren’t about to get a hoof to the forehead, so these experts do exist.
eating vegan is cheaper idiot
for some people
Don’t need to say that
I think it really depends where you live and what your lifestyle demands of you.
Where I live, meat is on sale a lot at supermarkets, lots of frozen food meals have meat in, and people might not have time to shop for ingredients or even to cook all the time - which i presume is the key to making veganism cheaper.
If you want to convicne people veganism is cheaper then you have to unfortunately (for you) “spell it out for them” - e.g give examples of vegan meals against meat meals, tell us where you’re shopping.
or i can just call you an idiot because you are one dweeb
Almost every person that are not Vegan just do not get this. Even back in the day, it was more costly to be mainstream eating/not all food homemade Vegan, with unhealthy processed foods industries. Plus the side effects (physical-social & Etc.) of horrible health causes are extremely costly.
Others Beings have rights!!! If you believe in god(s), then you are in real trouble after death, let alone those that do this.
Only if we say so. We invented the entire “rights” thing in the first place and we’re kind of in charge of handing them out.
Nope, just plain old non-existence after death for me.
1st. I understand why you might believe that wrong, based upon second answer. Everything born-living has Rights, simply because of birth-existence, somethings are not technically birthed into this world. It is more of a reflection upon those do not accept that fact.
By the way, the most powerful thing, outside of universal forces, are all our minds & together they even more powerful.
Bacteria have rights? Are you also against antibiotics?
You think we should be free to do whatever with Bacteria after running-out of protections against problems, because of over use of the “good” ones, COVID-19 & IT’s VARANTS & 'The Crazy Don’s Administration- Like RFK Jr.?
I was saying yes things, like bacteria, we cannot see need more rights, restrictions on our stupid manipulations of them, against our & Living Earth’s & All Living Beings’ healths.
Chances are, you would’nt even exist if people believed that bacteria have rights. Just stop.
Well, we just have to agree to disagree. I think nothing had any rights before humans invented the concept. And even now, any right that can’t or isn’t being enforced is pretty much useless and not more valuable than a wish.
Well, considering that humanity would be totally helpless against universal forces, like a super volcano or a gamma ray burst, it suggests that all our minds are pretty weak in the over-all schema of things.
I disagree with you, obviously, but it can never be accepted, because it is worse than any sickness-crimes our species on our species has ever been done. The scale of it is unbelievable & just a sign of species (in general, obviously) sickness. Just the scale, WOW!!!
Yes, the way it should be- especially, with potentially spreading ourselves to other worlds/‘Global Warming’ extinction event first (keep reading), we are in the way/overpopulation-overdensity-caring very little for The Living Earth & The Living Beings (even members of our own species). Correct me if I a wrong, but some Earth bound universal forces are manipulatable by us.
No they don’t.