Women prefer, on average, a larger height difference between themselves and their partner (i.e. males being much taller than themselves) than men do. This effect is even more pronounced when examining satisfaction with actual partner height: women are most satisfied when their partner was 21 cm taller, whereas men are most satisfied when they were 8 cm taller than their partner.
So a roughly average height 5’4" (~1.62m) woman, on average, would ideally pick a 6’ (~1.83m) tall man, all else held equal.
By the same kinds of math, on average, men prefer to be ~8cm / ~3 inches taller than their ideal height female partner.
So a roughly average height man of 5’10" (~1.78m) would ideally prefer their gal to be 5’7" (~1.70m)
So I don’t know, you tell me why generally speaking, women ideally prefer their men to be ~8 inches taller than themself, but men ideally prefer being only ~3 inches taller than their women.
Women generally have a stronger preference for taller men, than men have a preference for shorter women.
But you framed the entire scenario as being caused by men.
Why do men date women that’s like height of a children to them?
Its… also amazing that you yourself date someone 20cm shorter than you.
So, what, if you yourself were 5cm shorter than you are, and your partner was 5cm shorter than she is… would that be such a difference that the woman would now be ‘child sized’?
Short people do just exist, the image is an intentional joke making fun of height difference that is present in this consensual relationship.
You describe this as jailbait despite the woman looking like she’s in her upper 20s or lower 30s in age.
Like, not to be rude to the woman in the picture, but how many under 21 or under 18 girls… have forehead wrinkles, bags under their eyes?
I’ll admit, jailbait by definition does not fit in, so it was incorrect of me to use that word, but I’ll stand by the idea that it does feel weird to me in a way that resembles liking young girls.
Answer me this - is it perfectly fine/morally right of me to watch a porn of tall dude doing it with a very short one?
NSFW, but here is a mild porn example, I’ve personally seen more extreme ones; NSFW OPEN AT YOUR OWN RISK
Personally, watching this makes me slightly uncomfortable. No one else, really?
Ok but height really isn’t enough to make it that. I’ve dated short women who I was attracted to because of how womanly (mature, mom bod) they were. The first specs of gray hair, the sagging of giant tits, the wide hips… Her being short was honestly mostly an inconvenience because I had to bend over pretty far to kiss her.
Then you’ve got folks like my friends who are in the upper half of 6’. Everyone is short to them. They aren’t going to go to tall communities just to find relationships. One is now dating an abnormally tall woman and he’s happy about it.
Sometimes two people just click. I’d be skeptical if someone kept intentionally dating young looking people significantly shorter than them, or if they were into the sort of stuff your words describe that content as. But that content isn’t the majority of relationships with major height differences. The only people getting off on the stuff I’m talking about are greedy chiropractors.
I would assume, though I could be wrong, that by not challenging it, they either tacitly conceeded the point, or, perhaps did not even mean to say it in the way they said it, with the meaning/implication that phrasing has, as they have said English is their third language, not their first.
I’ll admit, jailbait by definition does not fit in, so it was incorrect of me to use that word,
Thank you for seeing and saying that.
but I’ll stand by the idea that it does feel weird to me in a way that resembles liking young girls.
I mean… very broadly, yes, sure, I get that, but I feel like you have to ignore the details and context.
But I will also grant that the non actual OP image, that is of higher quality, makes it more clear that the woman is likely not a child or very young adult, than the blurrier OP image does.
Answer me this - is it perfectly fine/morally right of me to watch a porn of tall dude doing it with a very short one?
Well frankly that’s a complicated question, mostly because: What exactly do you mean by ‘very short one?’
Apologies if I am wrong but it seems like English may not be your first language, and that that might be the cause of a lot of the kerfuffle here.
If you mean an actual dwarf, someone with dwarfism, well then that, to me, becomes a discussion of basically… is it more the case that such a person basically has few other valid employment options by way of discrimination, or is it more the case that… they’re fully consenting adults, making their own choices, which they understand or are in control of?
If you mean a person who is not a dwarf, but is simply fairly short… I basically still have the same kind of answer, I guess, just with there likely being a good deal less discrimination against someone who is simply short, but not a dwarf?
Personally, as a matter of personal preference, I would not be interested in porn with dwarves, and yeah I probably would be weirded out a bit between an extreme height mismatch with non dwarves…
But ‘being weirded out’ and ‘morally endorsing or condoning something’ are not the same thing to me.
Lots of people do and enjoy things that I do not, that I find weird, but … I don’t think they’re de facto morally bad just because I find it weird.
Because I know that that all works in reverse as well: I’m into things many other people find weird or strange, but like, I’m not harming anyone.
Frankly, I just don’t like to watch any kind of porn where anyone is getting just utterly physically dominated by another person.
I don’t like porn where a guy will like, insult or or degrade or very physically forcefully slap any part of a woman, or that is styled as if its the gals boss or something… that turns me off.
But, some people are into both or either of those things.
Sorry if this is kind of a non answer, but I guess the short (lol) version would be:
Such things generally yes do make me some amount of uncomfortable, but me being uncomfortable is not the same thing as something being morally condemnable.
Are these things moral?
Basically, thats a pretty complicated question to me, and I’m honestly not totally sure how I feel about that.
EDIT: Also I did not watch that video, I’m making breakfast at the moment lol.
You’re right, English is my third language. Thank you for giving this some thought.
I have a somewhat wild and likely unprovable theory (let’s see how many downvotes this comment gets) that more than half (60-70%?) of men who like the “very short ones” are also into dwarfism, but don’t quote me on that.
… Well, that would an interesting survey, I… guess?
Don’t think you could do it very academically based off of trying to profile lemmy voters though, hah.
EDIT:
But also, I say this to most non English first language speakers, because it is true:
You speak English better than a considerable number of Americans who only know English, so… generally I’m very impressed that you can speak 3 languages to any extent, hahah!
… Women generally, statistically, indicate an ideal preference to date men who are ~21cm / ~8 inches taller than themself.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886913000020
So a roughly average height 5’4" (~1.62m) woman, on average, would ideally pick a 6’ (~1.83m) tall man, all else held equal.
By the same kinds of math, on average, men prefer to be ~8cm / ~3 inches taller than their ideal height female partner.
So a roughly average height man of 5’10" (~1.78m) would ideally prefer their gal to be 5’7" (~1.70m)
So I don’t know, you tell me why generally speaking, women ideally prefer their men to be ~8 inches taller than themself, but men ideally prefer being only ~3 inches taller than their women.
That is so far off from what I was talking about. Me and my GF have 20cm difference too
My point is you got the causation backwards.
Women generally have a stronger preference for taller men, than men have a preference for shorter women.
But you framed the entire scenario as being caused by men.
Its… also amazing that you yourself date someone 20cm shorter than you.
So, what, if you yourself were 5cm shorter than you are, and your partner was 5cm shorter than she is… would that be such a difference that the woman would now be ‘child sized’?
Short people do just exist, the image is an intentional joke making fun of height difference that is present in this consensual relationship.
You describe this as jailbait despite the woman looking like she’s in her upper 20s or lower 30s in age.
Like, not to be rude to the woman in the picture, but how many under 21 or under 18 girls… have forehead wrinkles, bags under their eyes?
I’ll admit, jailbait by definition does not fit in, so it was incorrect of me to use that word, but I’ll stand by the idea that it does feel weird to me in a way that resembles liking young girls.
Answer me this - is it perfectly fine/morally right of me to watch a porn of tall dude doing it with a very short one? NSFW, but here is a mild porn example, I’ve personally seen more extreme ones; NSFW OPEN AT YOUR OWN RISK
Personally, watching this makes me slightly uncomfortable. No one else, really?
Ok but height really isn’t enough to make it that. I’ve dated short women who I was attracted to because of how womanly (mature, mom bod) they were. The first specs of gray hair, the sagging of giant tits, the wide hips… Her being short was honestly mostly an inconvenience because I had to bend over pretty far to kiss her.
Then you’ve got folks like my friends who are in the upper half of 6’. Everyone is short to them. They aren’t going to go to tall communities just to find relationships. One is now dating an abnormally tall woman and he’s happy about it.
Sometimes two people just click. I’d be skeptical if someone kept intentionally dating young looking people significantly shorter than them, or if they were into the sort of stuff your words describe that content as. But that content isn’t the majority of relationships with major height differences. The only people getting off on the stuff I’m talking about are greedy chiropractors.
You didn’t address it, so I gotta ask, did you read the part about causation at all?
I would assume, though I could be wrong, that by not challenging it, they either tacitly conceeded the point, or, perhaps did not even mean to say it in the way they said it, with the meaning/implication that phrasing has, as they have said English is their third language, not their first.
Thank you for seeing and saying that.
I mean… very broadly, yes, sure, I get that, but I feel like you have to ignore the details and context.
But I will also grant that the non actual OP image, that is of higher quality, makes it more clear that the woman is likely not a child or very young adult, than the blurrier OP image does.
Well frankly that’s a complicated question, mostly because: What exactly do you mean by ‘very short one?’
Apologies if I am wrong but it seems like English may not be your first language, and that that might be the cause of a lot of the kerfuffle here.
If you mean an actual dwarf, someone with dwarfism, well then that, to me, becomes a discussion of basically… is it more the case that such a person basically has few other valid employment options by way of discrimination, or is it more the case that… they’re fully consenting adults, making their own choices, which they understand or are in control of?
If you mean a person who is not a dwarf, but is simply fairly short… I basically still have the same kind of answer, I guess, just with there likely being a good deal less discrimination against someone who is simply short, but not a dwarf?
Personally, as a matter of personal preference, I would not be interested in porn with dwarves, and yeah I probably would be weirded out a bit between an extreme height mismatch with non dwarves…
But ‘being weirded out’ and ‘morally endorsing or condoning something’ are not the same thing to me.
Lots of people do and enjoy things that I do not, that I find weird, but … I don’t think they’re de facto morally bad just because I find it weird.
Because I know that that all works in reverse as well: I’m into things many other people find weird or strange, but like, I’m not harming anyone.
Frankly, I just don’t like to watch any kind of porn where anyone is getting just utterly physically dominated by another person.
I don’t like porn where a guy will like, insult or or degrade or very physically forcefully slap any part of a woman, or that is styled as if its the gals boss or something… that turns me off.
But, some people are into both or either of those things.
Sorry if this is kind of a non answer, but I guess the short (lol) version would be:
Such things generally yes do make me some amount of uncomfortable, but me being uncomfortable is not the same thing as something being morally condemnable.
Are these things moral?
Basically, thats a pretty complicated question to me, and I’m honestly not totally sure how I feel about that.
EDIT: Also I did not watch that video, I’m making breakfast at the moment lol.
You’re right, English is my third language. Thank you for giving this some thought.
I have a somewhat wild and likely unprovable theory (let’s see how many downvotes this comment gets) that more than half (60-70%?) of men who like the “very short ones” are also into dwarfism, but don’t quote me on that.
… Well, that would an interesting survey, I… guess?
Don’t think you could do it very academically based off of trying to profile lemmy voters though, hah.
EDIT:
But also, I say this to most non English first language speakers, because it is true:
You speak English better than a considerable number of Americans who only know English, so… generally I’m very impressed that you can speak 3 languages to any extent, hahah!