• Taldan@lemmy.world
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    If you live in the US Empire, you can be a part of the movement to end it

    That’s objectively bad messaging. ‘End the US Empire’ is so trivial to paint as purely anti-American. Not only will fail to win over more than a tiny fraction of people, but anyone part of it will be easily discredited

    How would ‘end the US Empire’ ever be a popular idea in America? Even assuming it is a moral platform, it can only ever be a fringe idea in America

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      Any socialist organizing will be painted as anti american. Who gives a shit? The fascists call the neolibs radical, marxist, far left, anti american, you name it, despite the fact that they’re two sides of the same shitty capitalist coin.

      Your comment rhymes with telling a child not to stand up to their bully because the bully will call them names. Even a child would answer with, “but they do that already!”

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      End the US Empire’ is so trivial to paint as purely anti-American

      Being anti-american is good and people are gonna need to rip off that bandaid

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      It isn’t objectively bad messaging. The millitary budget is through the roof while social services are gutted. War in Venezuela and the genocide in Palestine are very unpopular. The faith in a system dominated by late-stage imperialism is declining, and correct identification of rising cost of living with stagnant wages makes sense when connected to the US Empire’s decay. Shifting from an imperialist economy to one where humanity is the master of capital, win-win cooperation is the basis of international diplomacy and trade, and a brighter future based on common humanity is deeply appealing to the average Statesian. Maybe not 40 years ago, but conditions are rapidly changing.

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      I’m going to predict the future exactly as it will happen: either the US empire is ended and humanity survives it’s inevitable fall or the empire drags us all down with it in a nuclear fireball. Pick one.

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        I’m with your prediction if you are willing to include the nuclear fireball being a hail mary to stop climate change via nuclear winter (ik the concept is debated but I don’t know the physics)

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      That’s objectively bad messaging. ‘End the US Empire’ is so trivial to paint as purely anti-American.

      We have got a Chauvinist here.