(yes, this is a real post by someone who also happened to have actually been arrested for gene editing embryos)

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    • this is a shitpost community, not a biotech publication, so immune here means the dictionary definition, not any domain-specific technical jargon, otherwise people can’t make shitposts about diplomatic immunity
    • lacking the receptor that HIV uses to hijack the regular immune response in order to reproduce means the regular immune response destroys it
    • even in a normal person, after exposure, a lot of HIV gets destroyed by other parts of the immune system, often enough to eliminate it before an infection gains a foothold. Once an infection takes hold, it outbreeds the immune response as it’s the part best equipped to deal with a large viral load that it interferes with.
    • if you’ve got the virus in your body, but due to the lack of the receptor, it can’t reproduce, then it doesn’t remain viable for very long as each viron accumulates damage over time, and ceases to function once it’s too badly damaged. People carrying a disease have enough viral reproduction going on to balance out the virus being destroyed.
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      How about we operate at high school biology levels of understanding?

      As for whether the virus will be eliminated, it depends on the health of the immune system and the person.

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        OED:

        1. totally or partially resistant to a particular infectious disease or pathogen.
        2. protected or exempt, especially from an obligation or the effects of something.

        Merriam Webster

        1. : not susceptible or responsive

          especially: having a high degree of resistance to a disease

        2. a: produced by, involved in, or concerned with immunity or an immune response

          b: having or producing antibodies or lymphocytes capable of reacting with a specific antigen

        3. a: marked by protection

          b: free, exempt

        So unless you pretend that MW’s 2b sense is the only valid one, the immunity is immunity.

        If you have a sample of HIV at 37°C in blood, but with all the immune cells removed, it’ll still all become inert after around a week simply due to chemical reactions with other components of blood etc… It’s pretty comparable to a population of animals - if you take away their ability to reproduce, they’ll die of old age when left for long enough even if you’re not actively killing them.

        Edit: fat-fingered the save button while previewing the formatting

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          Context is how you determine definitions. This is not hard. We’re not talking about legal immunity here.

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            And the context was a sentence that was correct if you used OED sense 1, or MW sense 1, but you decided to parse it as MW sense 2b and then complain that the sentence was incorrect.