Yes it was recent, and that thread was the last one I saw before replying didn’t work anymore.
I’ve been here for a while, and I think it may be time to say goodbye to this. Federated or not, it’s the same mechanics that made Reddit toxic (minus karma) and the devs are pretty much mini Spezzes, so I doubt it will be that much better in the long run.
In fact poorly modded communities like c/politics will eventually get ignored by more and more and others on piefied and dbzero will grow and then they will get to critical mass until those mods get too crazy.
The core problem these communities and reddits miss is that you have a person coughing up 2~12 hours a week for free to moderate a platform they down own. What is their payment? How are they kept in check? How can users appeal?
And here we have that problem one level up where people call for defederation from certain instances. And there is instance admin abuse.
There are a handful of shitty instances and a handful of mods on popular politics communities that are shitty, but the vast majority of communities are drama free. Politics communities everywhere on the internet end up being drama fests though, with being shitty scaling with popularity.
Not who you are replying to, but anyway.
I generally find this place a lot better than reddit. Everything you point out is valid, RE: core problem.
Moderating is volunteer work, and by nature mods have authority. The real crux as you point out is the lack of ability to appeal a ban. That and lack of ban standardization even amongst mods. Paying mods wouldn’t help really. You can’t ask mods to attend a so you want to be a moderator: a training program for those still in denial about their agoraphobia program.
Because instances admins can ultimately take their ball and go home like you mention. It’s a tricky situation.
There’s a lot of whinging and fussing and very online behaviour on Lemmy. I mostly find that when I start getting annoyed by that stuff, it’s time to do something else.
That’s more a people problem than a lemmy problem. Anyone can make as many instances as they can afford and as many communities as they like.
I don’t see the comparison between spez and the admins, Lemmy is a much different model from reddit.
For as much as I post, I only had two mod actions against me I felt were disproportionate, which is pretty good considering there is no way for anyone to make 100% good decisions all the time. Otherwise good people can flame out and bad people can still be fair mods.
I didn’t like a couple of the big news coms, so I made my own. Build the things you want to see, because you are the fediverse as long as you’re on it.
I have one account. This one.
Yes it was recent, and that thread was the last one I saw before replying didn’t work anymore.
I’ve been here for a while, and I think it may be time to say goodbye to this. Federated or not, it’s the same mechanics that made Reddit toxic (minus karma) and the devs are pretty much mini Spezzes, so I doubt it will be that much better in the long run.
In fact poorly modded communities like c/politics will eventually get ignored by more and more and others on piefied and dbzero will grow and then they will get to critical mass until those mods get too crazy.
The core problem these communities and reddits miss is that you have a person coughing up 2~12 hours a week for free to moderate a platform they down own. What is their payment? How are they kept in check? How can users appeal?
And here we have that problem one level up where people call for defederation from certain instances. And there is instance admin abuse.
There are a handful of shitty instances and a handful of mods on popular politics communities that are shitty, but the vast majority of communities are drama free. Politics communities everywhere on the internet end up being drama fests though, with being shitty scaling with popularity.
Not who you are replying to, but anyway. I generally find this place a lot better than reddit. Everything you point out is valid, RE: core problem. Moderating is volunteer work, and by nature mods have authority. The real crux as you point out is the lack of ability to appeal a ban. That and lack of ban standardization even amongst mods. Paying mods wouldn’t help really. You can’t ask mods to attend a so you want to be a moderator: a training program for those still in denial about their agoraphobia program.
Because instances admins can ultimately take their ball and go home like you mention. It’s a tricky situation.
There’s a lot of whinging and fussing and very online behaviour on Lemmy. I mostly find that when I start getting annoyed by that stuff, it’s time to do something else.
That’s more a people problem than a lemmy problem. Anyone can make as many instances as they can afford and as many communities as they like.
I don’t see the comparison between spez and the admins, Lemmy is a much different model from reddit.
For as much as I post, I only had two mod actions against me I felt were disproportionate, which is pretty good considering there is no way for anyone to make 100% good decisions all the time. Otherwise good people can flame out and bad people can still be fair mods.
I didn’t like a couple of the big news coms, so I made my own. Build the things you want to see, because you are the fediverse as long as you’re on it.