• Crankenstein@lemmy.world
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    Our ends require dismantling systems that allow for any kind of oppression. You don’t inspire confidence in admitting you just want to be the one doing the oppressing instead.

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      “Hey i think we should take a knife and stab back at the person who has been stabbing us for a thousand years”

      “So you’re admitting you just want to be the one doing the stabbing, huh??”

      Feel free to bleed out as a perfect martyr if that’s your priority, I’d rather solve the problem.

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          Don’t lie, you don’t want to solve shit. You just want to keep being stabbed and bleed out feeling smug that at least you didn’t have to defend yourself (that would make you as bad as them).

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          This is you coping with the historical uselessness of your idealist, pseduo-christian purity worldview

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      You can’t dismantle systems of oppression without liquidating the oppressors.

      We didn’t end slavery by asking nicely, it took a civil war. Then, because we didn’t kill every slave owner and seize all of their wealth, they just reconstituted themselves as landlords. They defeated Reconstruction, regained power, rehired all their old slaves back as sharecroppers, and the oppression continued. The old slave catchers just became police, and they rounded up Black people and then put them on chain-gangs to be slaves for the State. Even today we have prison slaves working the fields.

      If every slave owner was hanged and their family’s wealth redistributed to their former slaves, none of this would have happened.

      If you don’t oppress the oppressors they just come back and resume their oppression. You have enemies. Start acting like it.

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        If you remove the system that allows them to gain authority over necessities and dictate how others access resources that should be communally available then you fundamentally remove their ability to be able to oppress you and your community.

        by asking nicely,

        I didn’t say you ask nicely. Nice try misrepresenting my argument because you can’t understand it.

        What you are literally talking about is that we tried using the tools of the masters and instead of making a better society we just changed who was at the helm of the oppressive system. Thanks for proving my point.

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          >Removes the system.

          >the ones who owned the things to oppress the proletariat still own all the things.

          >they use those things to oppress the proletariat and reestablish the system.

          E.g. The Paris Commune.

          In simple words, you’re an idealistic idiot.