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bubblybubbles@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.ml · 2 days ago

Average convo with liberals when Ukraine comes up

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Average convo with liberals when Ukraine comes up

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bubblybubbles@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.ml · 2 days ago
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  • davel [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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    3 hours ago

    Worse for whom?

    • MyMindIsLikeAnOcean@piefed.world
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      For the world. Giant repressive capitalist dictatorships that are full of fascists and invade other countries aren’t good for anybody…even if some of the people they’re killing are also fascists.

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        For the world.

        If by the world you mean the imperial core, then yes.

        Giant repressive capitalist dictatorship

        You mean the United States?

        full of fascists

        I don’t think you understand fascism. Previously:

        • Michael Parenti » 🔈 Fascism, The False Revolution
        • Gabriel Rockhill:
          • Fascism: Now You See It, Now You Don’t!
          • Liberalism and Fascism: Partners in Crime
          • The U.S. Did Not Defeat Fascism in WWII, It Discreetly Internationalized It
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          Your position is Russian isn’t imperial or fascist?

          …or is it that because the USA or your so-called “imperial core” is more fascist and/or imperial that we should ignore Russia’s?

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            Your position is Russian isn’t imperial or fascist?

            Yes. Previously:

            Russia, if given its druthers, would be imperialist, but since it presently doesn’t, it presently isn’t. Putin tried to join NATO once, to join the imperialist club, but that was rejected, because the US wanted Russia Balkanized & plundered instead. Russia has figured out it’s better off allying with Global South countries than attempting imperialist adventures upon them. And this war has accelerated that allyship.

            Previously:

            It’s not like there are no fascists in Russia. There’s Aleksandr Dugin (who people keep absurdly claiming is Putin’s right-hand man), and there was Western liberal darling Alexei Navalny.

            your so-called “imperial core”

            The term is hardly mine and hardly new. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Imperial_core

            is more fascist and/or imperial that we should ignore Russia’s?

            It is, though that doesn’t mean we should altogether ignore Russia’s faults; it too is a capitalist state, a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie. Russia isn’t anti-imperialist by ideology but by circumstance.

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              6 minutes ago

              It sounds a lot like you agree the conflict isn’t about good vs evil.

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