Flags exist as symbols. That is the entire purpose of a flag. Therefore, removing a symbol is a symbolic removal of the thing it stands for. The Pride Flag symbolizes LGBTQIA+ rights. Therefore, it’s removal symbolizes removal of those rights.
I disagree. The game was not released, therefore it wasn’t removed from the player. If the game got released without the flag, but every freedom and gameplay element was preserved, it would literally make no difference.
Political action doesn’t exist only when viewed. Political actions taken against the LGBTQIA+ community are still political actions taken against the LGBTQIA+ community, regardless of whether the game is on the market.
In scenario A, let us say a journalist writes a report about corruption, and it is censored before being released to the public. In scenario B, the report is released, then immediately censored. In both cases, it is censored.
It is not bad-faith argumentation. And it absolutely has something to do with our discussion. The point is that your logic doesn’t hold up when cast onto another work before and after release. Likewise, it does not hold up where you have used it.
Whether the game was or wasn’t released doesn’t change the fact that censorship took place. Censorship did take place—that is fact—and this censorship was political. Therefore the removal of the flag is political censorship, and has political significance.
That created scenario is completely different and is in fact in bad faith. This has nothing to do with my logic or our discussion about the topic we talk.
Whether the game was or wasn’t released doesn’t change the fact that censorship took place.
It does make a huge difference. Because the game was still developed. You don’t know what the replacement for the flag would be. You just assume the worst.
Censorship did take place—that is fact
It’s just a flag in a videogame. I personally don’t care about that.
Therefore the removal of the flag is political censorship, and has political significance.
And people put too much weight into this in my opinion. Because the interactions, story, character and gameplay is not affected. Therefore the censorship is meaningless.
Because the game was still developed. You don’t know what the replacement for the flag would be.
The removal of a symbol carries meaning, irrespective of what they would have replaced it with. Also, their motive in removing it had to do with anti-LGBTQIA+ policy in Saudi Arabia, so it most definitely wasn’t to replace it with another open-minded option. This was censorship of the developers and, symbolically, of queer folk.
It’s just a flag in a videogame. I personally don’t care about that.
What you care about doesn’t change the fact that censorship took place.
people put too much weight into this in my opinion
You can hold that view.
the censorship is meaningless
Symbols have meaning. Censorship of symbols, therefore, is symbolic censorship of the meaning of those symbols. The censorship is provably not without meaning.
Flags exist as symbols. That is the entire purpose of a flag. Therefore, removing a symbol is a symbolic removal of the thing it stands for. The Pride Flag symbolizes LGBTQIA+ rights. Therefore, it’s removal symbolizes removal of those rights.
I disagree. The game was not released, therefore it wasn’t removed from the player. If the game got released without the flag, but every freedom and gameplay element was preserved, it would literally make no difference.
Political action doesn’t exist only when viewed. Political actions taken against the LGBTQIA+ community are still political actions taken against the LGBTQIA+ community, regardless of whether the game is on the market.
Wrong. It makes a difference. Game was literally still in development.
In scenario A, let us say a journalist writes a report about corruption, and it is censored before being released to the public. In scenario B, the report is released, then immediately censored. In both cases, it is censored.
It is like this.
You create scenarios that has nothing to do with our discussion, just so you have some arguments. That is in bad faith argumentation.
It is not bad-faith argumentation. And it absolutely has something to do with our discussion. The point is that your logic doesn’t hold up when cast onto another work before and after release. Likewise, it does not hold up where you have used it.
Whether the game was or wasn’t released doesn’t change the fact that censorship took place. Censorship did take place—that is fact—and this censorship was political. Therefore the removal of the flag is political censorship, and has political significance.
That created scenario is completely different and is in fact in bad faith. This has nothing to do with my logic or our discussion about the topic we talk.
It does make a huge difference. Because the game was still developed. You don’t know what the replacement for the flag would be. You just assume the worst.
It’s just a flag in a videogame. I personally don’t care about that.
And people put too much weight into this in my opinion. Because the interactions, story, character and gameplay is not affected. Therefore the censorship is meaningless.
The removal of a symbol carries meaning, irrespective of what they would have replaced it with. Also, their motive in removing it had to do with anti-LGBTQIA+ policy in Saudi Arabia, so it most definitely wasn’t to replace it with another open-minded option. This was censorship of the developers and, symbolically, of queer folk.
What you care about doesn’t change the fact that censorship took place.
You can hold that view.
Symbols have meaning. Censorship of symbols, therefore, is symbolic censorship of the meaning of those symbols. The censorship is provably not without meaning.