we still have museums filled with dinosaurs without feathers
Because we’re still making discoveries and trying to nail down* the details of dino feathers. Feathers rarely fossilize, so it’s a really difficult thing to study.
there are people that preach the big bang theory as fact
Scientists present the big bang theory as fact because of the vast body of evidence that supports it. Just like germ theory, or evolution.
Shit, we still have people thinking the earth is flat.
Contrary to what the evidence shows, so idk what this has to do with anything.
We’re getting off track though. You originally made a claim basically saying that we don’t know enough to say God didn’t create the universe. I’m just trying to point out that that’s not how critical/scientific thinking works. You don’t invent an untestable conclusion and then say “well nothing disproves this yet, so it’s possible”. Not being able to disprove something says nothing about it’s possibility, and not having evidence of something is neither proof, nor disproof, but simply a gap in knowledge. We should be comfortable leaving those gaps empty until we find solid, evidence-based explanations that fill them. We shouldn’t prematurely fill them with untestable claims.
I completely agree. Unfortunately, we don’t do that. We fill the gaps. That’s what we did with the dinosaurs, with everything. Where we don’t have proof, we have theories. They are not fact. But presented as such by way too many people. I’m simply comparing the two and saying how ridiculous it is to say ANYTHING is “VERY unlikely” or “very likely” when all we really have is theory. It’s just… Incredibly ignorant with the little amount of info we have. So to go one way and fill the gaps while claiming we don’t, but go the other and guffaw because there isn’t evidence, is hilarious.
Edit: it’s just, that’s literally how we’ve ALWAYS done it, historically. Humanity was taught that earth was center of the solar system and that it was flat. Until we learned better. We thought washing hands between operating on patients was crazy, until it wasn’t. Tryna say scientists don’t fill gaps, where you livin
Based on this sentence, I don’t think you understand how science works, which might be why we’re still talking past each other.
Also it seems like you’re still hung up on what humanity has done historically, but that’s not relevant at all to what I’m talking about. I’m speaking in a pragmatic sense, about what we should do, not what we have done.
Except it’s COMPLETELY relevant, because ALL of the evidence you’re talking about is what humanity has gathered throughout our tiny blip of existence. It doesn’t matter what we should have done, if your whole point is “don’t fill the gaps with stuff we don’t know,” using scientists etc. as an example, when, historically, we’ve done nothing BUT “fill the gaps,” and incorrectly at that.
Like yes, there’s evidence to support the theories, but that does not change the HISTORICAL FACT that our theories are CONSTANTLY CHANGING based on new evidence that we now have to “slot in” and make work with the current evidence… Until we find more evidence and start all over. We’re just… way too overconfident with our “facts” when we literally don’t know shit. Trying to pretend we understand, like a monkey thinking a microwave is a flashlight
I still feel like you have a fundamental misunderstanding of science, and that you’re trying to conflate the gap-filling that religious people do with the evidence gathering that science does. Which is a wholly disingenuous thing to do.
Mate, religious people didn’t fill the museums with dinosaurs without feathers. Scientists gather evidence… then fill the gaps. Flat earth, earth is the center, quantum theory, quasi-crystals, the list goes on and on, if anything is disingenuous it’s saying that scientists DON’T fill the gaps for the things we don’t know. THAT’S ALL WE’VE EVER DONE. Religious or not, no evidence, some evidence, or “a lot” relative to our tiny corner of space, humanity, historically, fills the gaps so we can pretend to understand things we’ve only just recently become capable of even observing
Because we’re still making discoveries and trying to nail down* the details of dino feathers. Feathers rarely fossilize, so it’s a really difficult thing to study.
Scientists present the big bang theory as fact because of the vast body of evidence that supports it. Just like germ theory, or evolution.
Contrary to what the evidence shows, so idk what this has to do with anything.
We’re getting off track though. You originally made a claim basically saying that we don’t know enough to say God didn’t create the universe. I’m just trying to point out that that’s not how critical/scientific thinking works. You don’t invent an untestable conclusion and then say “well nothing disproves this yet, so it’s possible”. Not being able to disprove something says nothing about it’s possibility, and not having evidence of something is neither proof, nor disproof, but simply a gap in knowledge. We should be comfortable leaving those gaps empty until we find solid, evidence-based explanations that fill them. We shouldn’t prematurely fill them with untestable claims.
I completely agree. Unfortunately, we don’t do that. We fill the gaps. That’s what we did with the dinosaurs, with everything. Where we don’t have proof, we have theories. They are not fact. But presented as such by way too many people. I’m simply comparing the two and saying how ridiculous it is to say ANYTHING is “VERY unlikely” or “very likely” when all we really have is theory. It’s just… Incredibly ignorant with the little amount of info we have. So to go one way and fill the gaps while claiming we don’t, but go the other and guffaw because there isn’t evidence, is hilarious.
Edit: it’s just, that’s literally how we’ve ALWAYS done it, historically. Humanity was taught that earth was center of the solar system and that it was flat. Until we learned better. We thought washing hands between operating on patients was crazy, until it wasn’t. Tryna say scientists don’t fill gaps, where you livin
Based on this sentence, I don’t think you understand how science works, which might be why we’re still talking past each other.
Also it seems like you’re still hung up on what humanity has done historically, but that’s not relevant at all to what I’m talking about. I’m speaking in a pragmatic sense, about what we should do, not what we have done.
Except it’s COMPLETELY relevant, because ALL of the evidence you’re talking about is what humanity has gathered throughout our tiny blip of existence. It doesn’t matter what we should have done, if your whole point is “don’t fill the gaps with stuff we don’t know,” using scientists etc. as an example, when, historically, we’ve done nothing BUT “fill the gaps,” and incorrectly at that.
Like yes, there’s evidence to support the theories, but that does not change the HISTORICAL FACT that our theories are CONSTANTLY CHANGING based on new evidence that we now have to “slot in” and make work with the current evidence… Until we find more evidence and start all over. We’re just… way too overconfident with our “facts” when we literally don’t know shit. Trying to pretend we understand, like a monkey thinking a microwave is a flashlight
I still feel like you have a fundamental misunderstanding of science, and that you’re trying to conflate the gap-filling that religious people do with the evidence gathering that science does. Which is a wholly disingenuous thing to do.
Mate, religious people didn’t fill the museums with dinosaurs without feathers. Scientists gather evidence… then fill the gaps. Flat earth, earth is the center, quantum theory, quasi-crystals, the list goes on and on, if anything is disingenuous it’s saying that scientists DON’T fill the gaps for the things we don’t know. THAT’S ALL WE’VE EVER DONE. Religious or not, no evidence, some evidence, or “a lot” relative to our tiny corner of space, humanity, historically, fills the gaps so we can pretend to understand things we’ve only just recently become capable of even observing