China has higher government approval rates than any western country. The whole “Chinese surveillance state” myth stems from western media propaganda. Go ask a Chinese person about the dreaded “social credit score” system and they literally don’t know what it is, it’s just western lies. The west has literal journalist prisoners like Assange, the UK is enjailing people for supporting Palestine, and heroes like Snowden had to migrate to other countries due to political persecution for revealing the depth of the western surveillance state. It’s all projection with China.
i know real Chinese people who left china because of how bad it is there, not because of socialism, but because of the government surveillance and how they treat people.
I’ve directed the Master’s and Bachelor’s thesis of several Chinese students here in Europe, and literally all of them except one have returned to China because life there is better. The one who stayed, personally told me that he used to be Chinese opposition, but after some years in Europe seeing the shitshow we have and the impending rise of fascism, he’s not as critical of the Chinese government anymore.
Your sample is biased: you’ve only spoken to the Chinese émigrés, so you’re suffering from survivor bias.
Hah, you’re so freaking original, mate! I bet nobody ever here heard of that one!
But sure: on June 3rd, 1989, after weeks of protests in Beijing (not in all of China), some violent western-funded protestors murdered some PLA soldiers. Violence ensued (funnily enough outside Tiananmen Square, despite what western state propaganda tells you) and some people died in clashes between police/military and protestors. Ultimately, a western-backed colour revolution was averted, and thankfully the Chinese government still exists, providing the world with 95ish% of the solar photovoltaic production :)
Unlike western media, famously owned by altruistic people like sociopath Palantir collaborator Zuckerberg, or Twitter being owned by a literal sieg-heiling Nazi.
You can see the censorship by opening Russia Today in the EU and seeing how all Russian media has been banned, such freedom of speech and anti censorship in the west, threatening to ban Tiktok because it’s not controlled by American corpos! Surely no censorship on Reddit either or YouTube!! It’s literally all projection
The original comment I responded to was comparing the west to China and saying that the reason why China shouldn’t win is because it’s more repressive. I explained how that’s not the case, so me comparing to the west is relevant in this instance.
I dont quite understand your second paragraph, care to explain?
2nd paragraph: China has an industrial base that can no longer be competed with. This is the winning recipe, so they will likely control the world.
So how well all of humanity fares, depends on how the leadership in China decides to treat us. If we end up with say, a chinese Trump, we are done for. If we end up with some miracle in China where the leader is actually kind of benevolent, humanity has a shot.
We should invest everything we can into ensuring the later.
The original comment I responded to was saying “we don’t want China to win because it’s very repressive”. If the west turns out to be at least as repressive, this argument disappears, which was my entire point.
The whole reason China winning would be bad is because of their surveillance state ensuring no one gets around their curtailment of civil liberties…
China has higher government approval rates than any western country. The whole “Chinese surveillance state” myth stems from western media propaganda. Go ask a Chinese person about the dreaded “social credit score” system and they literally don’t know what it is, it’s just western lies. The west has literal journalist prisoners like Assange, the UK is enjailing people for supporting Palestine, and heroes like Snowden had to migrate to other countries due to political persecution for revealing the depth of the western surveillance state. It’s all projection with China.
The culpability and misdirection of western states is not evidence for the innocence of China or anyone else.
i know real Chinese people who left china because of how bad it is there, not because of socialism, but because of the government surveillance and how they treat people.
I’ve directed the Master’s and Bachelor’s thesis of several Chinese students here in Europe, and literally all of them except one have returned to China because life there is better. The one who stayed, personally told me that he used to be Chinese opposition, but after some years in Europe seeing the shitshow we have and the impending rise of fascism, he’s not as critical of the Chinese government anymore.
Your sample is biased: you’ve only spoken to the Chinese émigrés, so you’re suffering from survivor bias.
sounds like the ones who pledged allegiance to the party.
Can you tell me what notable event happened in China on June 3, 1989?
Hah, you’re so freaking original, mate! I bet nobody ever here heard of that one!
But sure: on June 3rd, 1989, after weeks of protests in Beijing (not in all of China), some violent western-funded protestors murdered some PLA soldiers. Violence ensued (funnily enough outside Tiananmen Square, despite what western state propaganda tells you) and some people died in clashes between police/military and protestors. Ultimately, a western-backed colour revolution was averted, and thankfully the Chinese government still exists, providing the world with 95ish% of the solar photovoltaic production :)
In the Xinhai Revolution, they killed Qing troops. I don’t see anything wrong with it.
So now “violence bad”? I thought y’all are advocating for Americans to overthow the US regime. So… is violence okay or no?
I’m gonna quote your leader:
革命无罪，造反有理！
You can see the surveillance and self censorship by spending any amount of time on a Chinese app like Red Note.
Unlike western media, famously owned by altruistic people like sociopath Palantir collaborator Zuckerberg, or Twitter being owned by a literal sieg-heiling Nazi.
You can see the censorship by opening Russia Today in the EU and seeing how all Russian media has been banned, such freedom of speech and anti censorship in the west, threatening to ban Tiktok because it’s not controlled by American corpos! Surely no censorship on Reddit either or YouTube!! It’s literally all projection
Ah yes, the west is a shitshow, so that somehow makes anything China can do ok.
You are going to live under China, better do something to make sure we SURVIVE.
The original comment I responded to was comparing the west to China and saying that the reason why China shouldn’t win is because it’s more repressive. I explained how that’s not the case, so me comparing to the west is relevant in this instance.
I dont quite understand your second paragraph, care to explain?
2nd paragraph: China has an industrial base that can no longer be competed with. This is the winning recipe, so they will likely control the world.
So how well all of humanity fares, depends on how the leadership in China decides to treat us. If we end up with say, a chinese Trump, we are done for. If we end up with some miracle in China where the leader is actually kind of benevolent, humanity has a shot.
We should invest everything we can into ensuring the later.
that still doesn’t absolve what china does.
The original comment I responded to was saying “we don’t want China to win because it’s very repressive”. If the west turns out to be at least as repressive, this argument disappears, which was my entire point.
no it doesnt, i don’t want any of them to win.