If you ever tried the infamous “Update and shut down” option in any Windows build, it often leads to a reboot instead to an actual shutdown. Now, Microsoft has finally fixed this issue starting with Windows 11 25H2 Build 26200.7019 (or 26100.7019 on 24H2). According to the Windows Latest, Microsoft has shipped this broken functionality way back with Windows 10, and has never fixed it since. However, the Windows teams working behind the update have finally managed to ship a working solution with a note stating in Windows 11 experiences that the new build: “Addressed underlying issue which can cause “Update and shutdown” to not actually shut down your PC after updating.”
So it actually was a bug. All these years I gaslit myself I was too tired, too high or maybe just missclicked this time. That’s actually funny. How fucking incapable is Microsoft xd?
Can they fix the “randomly turn itself back on and drain the battery while in its bag so that it’s always dead when you actually need to use it on the go” problem?
Because that’s been a problem for like 20 years at this point and means I have to treat my laptops as if they don’t actually have batteries because it’s schrodinger’s power any time I pull one out to work.
I was at a conference this week, and half the attendees were huddled in the cafeteria the whole time because there were some tables on one wall with outlets.
It’s probably because your computer has quick boot turned on which isn’t actually fully shut off. More like a deep hibernate which can still receive magic packets that can turning it on for updates and such. If it’s a work laptop it’s almost certainly because your work has set up so it wakes up when they push an update. It’s more of an issue with how your work has set up group policies. You can turn off magic packets in advanced network settings if you have admin access to your computer, which you may not if it’s a company laptop.
Maybe one day they’ll fix applications on the task bar not focusing when you click on them, don’t get confused here, these are applications already open and in the background but clicking the icon on the taskbar occasionally does nothing until you manually bring it to the foreground.
Wild this is a billion dollar company.
So that’s not just me! I’ve also had Alt+Tab get stuck showing all windows and not move to the selected one lately. Gahhh.
I think you missing just a few zeroes there.
I mean technically I am right, they are worth at least 1 billion dollars, didn’t feel like looking up their gross/net earnings.
It was meant as a tongue in cheek, not a dig at you :)
I don’t think windows is how they make most of their money
maybe next they can work on making shut down actually shut down too, instead of me coming back three hours later to the remainders of a poor attempt
It might be your hardware. I just migrated from a Ryzen 5 laptop (with much better battery life than its Core i5 cousins in the office) to a new Core Ultra laptop and the difference in shutdown time is striking. Mostly because it actually shuts down all the spreadsheets and office BS I have open while the Ryzen one would hang. I normally don’t like Intel chips but this generation seems to be pretty good. Could be RAM too. Old laptop had 24GB, new one has 32GB.
shutdown -s -t 0 -f
Was this typed from muscle memory?
Good timing. The straw the broke the camel’s back before switching to Linux two months ago was watching my PC reboot after “update and shutdown” and saying “I shouldn’t have to deal with this!”
For me it was not being able to keep a homebridge VM from crashing. Threw it on Debian and it hasn’t gone down once. Dual booting for now but I’m moving everything over. The final piece was seeing how fast Debian copies files. It’s instant most of the time. Made me realize that the “nice” speed dialog is literally just show and slowing down the functionality by quite a bit. What a pig.
“Too little, too late”
That’s basically what pissed me off too, but instead I set up an MECM server to control updates.
What finally made me switch is it bluescreened on boot after an update. Even a fresh install, as soon as I applied the latest update, it bluescreened every time again. No point in fighting that when Debian is right there and it Just Works.
Great. Now can we have the option for a vertical task bar back?
How about today’s, random complete freeze. Had to hard reboot then spend 30 minutes watching it trying to “fix the issue”. It then failed to find anything. So I had to force it to reboot to windows. Then it worked fine the rest of the day.
While it was down, I was working on my 11 year old, budget laptop running Mint.
*laughs in KDE*
Imagine using an operating system that you don’t have to labor away to escape advertisements and upselling after every update.
true dat.
my statement was more you can do whatever you want in KDE
Yes, but it’ll take them another ten years
Just for the sake of the anecdote, I just discovered that in KDE Plasma, you can put a taskbar anywhere you like, including vertically, resize it, and even rotate it at an arbitrary angle! it’s pretty much useless… but you can
You can even have like…40 taskbars floating in the middle of the screen!
I love the vertical task bar in KDE. It does exactly what I want it to, and that’s so refreshing.
It baffles me how few people know that they can just replace the Explorer shell.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/configuration/shell-launcher/
You could have vertical task bar in vanilla windows 10. They took it out in 11 because fuck you, presumably.
They rewrote it and only implemented half the features. Just like the settings app and a bunch of other things. Because who ever cared about feature parity?
That baffles you? I’d be willing to bet that 99% of windows users don’t even know what explorer.exe is.
Even just a top bar would be great.
How could the taskbar regress so badly?
Literally one of the reasons Windows boots so rarely on my devices.
Why the fuck are they fighting the vertical task bar? Or the 3D files folder? I’ve wasted so much time in connecting this shite OS from OneDrive and copilot.
I don‘t know what you mean. I can have vertical or horizontal bars wherever I want, how many I want and with different apps pinned to each if I want. KDE Linux btw.
For now. In due time, they will have some regression much like how Windows always breaks down and makes me cry.
So, I settled on Nobara (Plasma desktop) almost week ago now. Besides my troubles with Wacom tablet (it happens with all distros I tried, no solution so far), it’s all good. The OS isn’t constantly nagging me about something. It doesn’t lie about not restarting when I ask it to hold off -and consequently lose no work because of it. There is no random ad on the login screen. No web results sorted to appear first when I type to search for a local file or command. I can disable stuff I don’t use, such as window animations, etc. No shovelware like one-fucking-drive or some LLM butler taking up room, ram, and mental health.
All in all, I feel weirdly at peace when using this machine. It’s just a tool that’s succeeding in getting out of the way.
The only downside is I can’t use the Affinity suite, but besides that… perfect
Thanks ! will certainly test when I get the chance. No hardware acceleration isn’t surprising, but it may be worth the trouble still
Please share findings :-3
Been using Nobara for nearly a year. Pretty solid. My biggest complaint about the distro is googling it spoiled an anime I wasn’t really planning on watching in the first place.
Excellent. Sometimes I’d use the option for my work machine on a Friday only to find the fucking thing had rebooted instead.
Let’s see if it behaves when I do it in an hour or two.
One reason why it’s trash, tackled. A million more to go. Can’t wait to see their progress in 2036
More bugs, less fixes.
Oh, this was a general issue? It was driving me crazy as I was certain I hit “shut down” instead of “reboot”. I am soon getting a Linux laptop at work anyway (I’ve only been waiting about 5 montha for it now, so any day now!) - so I will hopefully not experience this fix.
How convenient that windows 10 support is over. They probably had the fix and waited to ensure more people downgrade to 11
dude my win10 install at work has been getting seemingly exponentially more glitchy in the past month or two. it seems intentional at this point
Too little too late. Shit like this would not fly in an open OS and is they were only able to do it that long, as they give a shot about customer demands. Fuck these proprietary software! Never again will i be held back by corpo software!
Did you write that comment on an Android or an iPhone?
“You participate in society yet you criticize it ☝️🤓” comment.
Furthermore, what do two different mobile OS have to do with a desktop one?
He said: “Fuck these proprietary software! Never again will i be held back by corpo software!”
No one is making a distinction between mobile and desktop here but you…
As fas as I can remember, Android and iPhone are proprietary corpo software.
I hope that helped clearing your confusion, my little bright light.
I thought that they were joking, as stuff like this also happens in open software and can take ages to fix (if it’s even kept up to date for a lot of niche software), and most of us use SOME sort proprietary software even if there’s a bigger % of open source enthusiasts on Lemmy.
That’s why the Android/iOS comment was even more out of place.
But then again, this is Lemmy…it might have been literal…
Don’t defy the echo chamber lest you desire the down votes!
Right, so they wait until just after Windows 10 reaches EOL to release the patch for this annoying bug. Typical. They’ve probably had the solution ready for ages.
But there will never be another Windows 10 update, so it’s really no longer an issue.
That’s my point. I feel like they have been sitting on this for a while and didn’t release it ages ago because it would be one more thing to reduce the odds of people shifting from 10 to 11.
I wish I would have had that issue instead. What happened for me was that it would shut down like normal, but then I would get a BSOD on startup, have to restart the computer, reinstall the update, and manually choose restart again (it had to be from the startup menu, not from a windowed program) to actually get it installed.
