• CromulantCrow@lemmy.zip
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    When I hear Nazi I think of concentration camps and killing Jews. Kirk was a big supporter of Israel. Does Nazi just mean conservative fascist now? And if so is B. Netanyahu a Nazi? That seems weird.

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        So when does he start exterminating the Jews?

        Edit: he literally cant be a nazi. He’s a sionist.

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          Like the Germans they are starting with the homeless and disabled. In this case the Latino community is being targeted in the same way as the Jewish community was in Germany.

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            So he’s a sionist then. Not a nazi. Stop throwing words around if you don’t know what they mean.

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              I don’t know what “sionisom” is but to answer your question. Nazi, is a good way to describe a genocidal facist. The Nazis do appear to have aligned with Zionist in modern times. Nazism and Zionism are very similar because they both have goals to create a white ethnostate. The brand of nazism we are seeing in the United States is targeting and scapegoating (hallmark of Nazism) the homeless, and Latino communities. People are being disappeared off the streets without due process or accountability. In Germany the worst concentration camps were on foreign soil during the holocaust so the United States shipping people to Africa and El Salvador should worry even the most skeptical critic. RFK has talked openly about sending people with mental illness to camps. He also has openly made blanket statements about autistic people not having a life worth living.

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                Except the word nazi denotes and is defined by the hate of Jews.

                You might say that sionists and nazis are similar, but they are categorically different. Or it would be slightly self-destructive as a Jewish state to want to exterminate all Jews, dont you think?

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                    Nazism is a form of fascism, identifying ethnic Germans as part of what the Nazis regarded as a Nordic Aryan master race.

                    Lots of ethnic Germanic folks in Israel, to be sure. Yes, this is sarcasm.

                    It’s funny to compare the definitions of nazism in English versus Swedish though. It would appear that English speaking really want to shift what nazi means, rather than have zionism be its own term with similar meaning.

                    Direct translation from the Swedish version

                    Nazism is part of fascist ideologi. It made the claim that certain races of human had greater value than others. The “Aryan race” and the Germanic peoples were seen as the highest in the racial hierarchy. The “enemy race” were the so-called untermenschen (subhumans), who were often called “the masses from the East”, which mainly included Jews, Slavs, Poles and Roma, but also the disabled and homosexuals. [

                    It would be like calling the Japanese during world war 2 nazis. It’s just silly.

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      When I hear Nazi I think of concentration camps and killing Jews. Kirk was a big supporter of Israel.

      Well, Israel didn’t exist when the NSDAP did, so if you apply the literal meaning of each, a Nazi couldn’t support Israel. But fascism was also something that only applied to the party in power in Italy from 1922 to 1945. The terms have somewhat evolved since then; fascism generally meaning authoritarian, ultranationalistic and antiliberal. The same applies to nazism, but usually with some racist ideology with hatred for other religions.

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      Yes, it is a good way to describe a genocidal facist. The Nazis do appear to have aligned with Zionist in modern times. Nazism and Zionism are very similar because they both have goals to create a white ethnostate. The brand of nazism we are seeing in the United States is targeting and scapegoating (hallmark of Nazism) the homeless, and Latino communities. People are being disappeared off the streets without due process or accountability. In Germany the worst concentration camps were on foreign soil during the holocaust so the United States shipping people to Africa and El Salvador should worry even the most skeptical critic. RFK has talked openly about sending people with mental illness to camps. He also has openly made blanket statements about autistic people not having a life worth living.