• onslaught545@lemmy.zip
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    2 days ago

    Not all LLMs are the same. You can absolutely take a neural network model and train it yourself on your own dataset that doesn’t violate copyright.

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      1 day ago

      I can almost guarantee that hundred billion params LLMs are not trained on that, and are trained on the whole web scraped to the furthest extent.

      The only sane and ethical solution going forward is to force to opensource all LLMs. Use the datasets generated by humanity - give back to humanity.

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        The only sane and ethical solution going forward is to force to opensource all LLMs.

        Jesus fucking christ. There are SO GODDAMN MANY open source LLMs, even from fucking scumbags like facebook. I get that there’s subtleties to the argument on the ProAI vs AntiAI side, but you guys just screech and scream.

        https://github.com/eugeneyan/open-llms

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          1 day ago

          even meta

          Lol, ofc meta, they have the biggest bigdata out there, full of private data.

          Most of the opensources are recompilations of existing opensource LLMs.

          And the page you’ve listed is <10b mostly, bar LLMs with huge financing, and generally either copropate or Chinese behind them.

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      2 days ago

      Training an AI is orthogonal to copyright since the process of training doesn’t involve distribution.

      You can train an AI with whatever TF you want without anyone’s consent. That’s perfectly legal fair use. It’s no different than if you copy a song from your PC to your phone.

      Copyright really only comes into play when someone uses an AI to distribute a derivative of someone’s copyrighted work. Even then, it’s really the end user that is even capable of doing such a thing by uploading the output of the AI somewhere.

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        That’s assuming you own the media in the first place. Often AI is trained with large amounts of data downloaded illegally.

        So, yes, it’s fair use to train on information you have or have rights to. It’s not fair use to illegally obtain new data. Even more, to renting that data often means you also distribute it.

        For personal use, I don’t have an issue with it anyway, but legally it’s not allowed.