this doesn’t debunk every crop deaths argument. it only addresses an argument in the form “since animals die in crop harvesting, vegans shouldn’t eat crops (or they would be hypocrites”.
but the issue of crop deaths actually points to something else: people don’t care if animals die in the production of their food. vegans claim to care but will eat food covered in pesticides and harvested with threshers. the mental gymnastics they go through, like writing a four part essay about how these animal deaths are actually ok, shows that they, too, are ok with animals dying in the production of their food.
We can’t eliminate all suffering and harm, so we shouldn’t even try reducing it? Perfect is the enemy of good. For many if not most vegans, it’s about minimizing harm. Many are motivated by ecological concern as well.
Some insects die on my car’s grill when I’m driving. I still go to work every day while calling myself vegan. Literally the only non-hypocritical action would be to kill myself. Forgive me if I don’t.
Show me where any vegan has ever argued that these deaths are okay? Your argument is both a strawman and bad faith. It’s the equivalent of when people claim anticapitalists are hypocrites because they have no choice but to participate in the existing system to survive. Cheap.
Why are vegans in particular given blame for crop deaths, when it isn’t vegans who are doing the farming? We have veganic forms of agriculture that we advocate for, and practice in the case of veganic farmers and gardeners. But until that gains more traction all anyone can do is the best they can, with what they have access to - which is far less harmful and destructive than omnis.
Going purely by the name you’ve chosen, is this your main schtick? Like are you a joke account that exists to reinforce stereotypes about communists not understanding how economics works? To think that factory farming could ever exist without the consumer demand to produce enough animal products to necessitate the unfathomably insane amount of animal abuse that is required to sustain it - you are completely deluded.
Or, you are the one giving it the most bad faith interpretation you can, and giving the most copout answer because you know your interpretation isn’t in there.
this doesn’t debunk every crop deaths argument. it only addresses an argument in the form “since animals die in crop harvesting, vegans shouldn’t eat crops (or they would be hypocrites”.
but the issue of crop deaths actually points to something else: people don’t care if animals die in the production of their food. vegans claim to care but will eat food covered in pesticides and harvested with threshers. the mental gymnastics they go through, like writing a four part essay about how these animal deaths are actually ok, shows that they, too, are ok with animals dying in the production of their food.
We can’t eliminate all suffering and harm, so we shouldn’t even try reducing it? Perfect is the enemy of good. For many if not most vegans, it’s about minimizing harm. Many are motivated by ecological concern as well.
Some insects die on my car’s grill when I’m driving. I still go to work every day while calling myself vegan. Literally the only non-hypocritical action would be to kill myself. Forgive me if I don’t.
go ahead and try to reduce suffering. I’m just starting facts here.
Show me where any vegan has ever argued that these deaths are okay? Your argument is both a strawman and bad faith. It’s the equivalent of when people claim anticapitalists are hypocrites because they have no choice but to participate in the existing system to survive. Cheap.
Why are vegans in particular given blame for crop deaths, when it isn’t vegans who are doing the farming? We have veganic forms of agriculture that we advocate for, and practice in the case of veganic farmers and gardeners. But until that gains more traction all anyone can do is the best they can, with what they have access to - which is far less harmful and destructive than omnis.
and most people don’t slaughter animals. which, by the way, is one of my firmly held beliefs: we can’t blame people for something they didn’t do.
You’re paying for them to be bred and slaughtered, your hands have no less blood on them. What absurd mental gymnastics.
no, they’re not. all the people doing that are paid long before most people buy meat.
Going purely by the name you’ve chosen, is this your main schtick? Like are you a joke account that exists to reinforce stereotypes about communists not understanding how economics works? To think that factory farming could ever exist without the consumer demand to produce enough animal products to necessitate the unfathomably insane amount of animal abuse that is required to sustain it - you are completely deluded.
what i said is true. you don’t seem to be able to accept reality.
the linked four part essay excuses crop deaths
Again, please point to anywhere in the article where it says crop deaths are okay?
that’s the whole thrust of the article. only an intellectual dishonest reading could find that’s not the point.
Or, you are the one giving it the most bad faith interpretation you can, and giving the most copout answer because you know your interpretation isn’t in there.
anyone reading this can draw their own conclusions about who is being intellectually honest.
Let’s be real, at this point no one is reading this, and this discussion is pointless.
so I can assume you are just downvoting me regardless of the truth of my claims?