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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.mlEnglish · 1 year ago

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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.mlEnglish · 1 year ago
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  • StinkyFingerItchyBum@lemmy.ca
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      The opposite is true, actually.

      According to the most recent report (2024), people in China have overwhelmingly positive views of their political system. 92% of people say that democracy is important to them, 79% say that their country is democratic, 91% say that the government serves the interests of most people (rather than a small group), and 85% say all people have equal rights before the law. Furthermore, China outperforms the US and most European countries on these indicators – in fact, it has some of the strongest results in the world. The figure below compares China’s results to those from the US, France and Britain. These results may help explain the high levels of satisfaction with government reported by the Ash Center.

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        In my experience, the liberals will now say your source is incorrect/misleading/seeseepee propaganda for some unfalsifiable reason (their opinion) or they will immediately jump to racism and call the Chinese robots who cannot think for themselves.

        The first is typical online, the second offline, where there is no paper trail.

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          I see the latter all the time online, usually via the “brainwashing” narrative. Sinophobia runs deep and is out in the open.

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          Show your objective measures, then.

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            Guessing it’s some nonsense like conflating a multi-party system with democracy, even though multi-party systems have a worse track-record when it comes to actually representing the public will because factionalism better allows for opportunism. Fundamentally, the policy proposal process in the PRC is more bottom-up, while being executed from the top-down.

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          Who has any right to tell the people of China how they should choose to govern themselves? Evidently they approve of their system at higher rates, believe democracy is more important at higher rates, and believe they are democratic at higher rates, all of which are consistent.

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            • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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              What is democracy if not rule by the people? What better objective measure of democracy would you posit than the people directly saying that their input is heard, their interests are pressed forth, and that their structure is democratic?

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      huh?

      • https://www.newsweek.com/most-china-call-their-nation-democracy-most-us-say-america-isnt-1711176
      • https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-Pacific/2021/0218/Vilified-abroad-popular-at-home-China-s-Communist-Party-at-100
      • https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-06-26/which-nations-are-democracies-some-citizens-might-disagree
      • https://web.archive.org/web/20230511041927/https://6389062.fs1.hubspotusercontent-na1.net/hubfs/6389062/Canva images/Democracy Perception Index 2023.pdf
      • https://www.tbsnews.net/world/china-more-democratic-america-say-people-98686
      • https://web.archive.org/web/20201229132410/https://en.news-front.info/2020/06/27/studies-have-shown-that-china-is-more-democratic-than-the-united-states-russia-is-nearby-and-ukraine-is-at-the-bottom/
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        spy balloons

        people still believe this shit 🤣

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          what were they?

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      The irony of having my comment on democracy and free speech removed is hillarious.

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        Should all misinformation be allowed to stay? Should right-wing, western narratives be unchallenged? No investigation, no right to speak.

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          Can’t have an honest discussion when you silence critics. (Which was the point all along)

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            Do you often start discussions by loudly proclaiming that you haven’t done any research but fully agree with the right-wing?

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              Welcome to my ban list! It’s small and very exclusive, but disingenuous comments putting words in my mouth like “but fully agree with the right wing” are a surefire way to get you on it.

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                You came in here repeating right-wing talking points, I didn’t put any words in your mouth, you said them yourself.

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